[meteorite-list] Tucson Auction

From: actionshooting at carolina.rr.com <actionshooting_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:38:56 +0000
Message-ID: <20110224143856.MELEU.9464.root_at_hrndva-web18-z01>

Has it ever occurred to anyone that a lot of the people I saw at the auction were major dealers and I would suspect they are NOT going to pay retail prices, even for rare stuff.

Stuart McD


---- Darryl Pitt <darryl at dof3.com> wrote:
>
>
> John and Greg do indeed have terrific points.
>
> The issue with Mike's Tucson Auction is that the prices attained are, far more often than not, anomalously low. I'm not exactly certain why---but several factors come to mind. To a lesser extent, the same occurred with the Macovich Auctions at Tucson...was it a decade ago? (Wow.)
>
> I am all for transparency, but transparency can frequently result in disinformation if there is no context. And to be clear, I did not state this was a wholesale event. I suggested that be stated that the auction occurred at a wholesale marketplace.
>
> For me, it's precisely because this is not the same as eBay---this is a traditional auction and its perceived gravitas is far greater---that perhaps we should be more sensitive to the messages being provided. Just a thought.
>
>
> Nonetheless, I totally get the opposing point of view.
>
> All best / Darryl
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 12:37 AM, Greg Catterton wrote:
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> > I have to agree with John 110%. He said about all that needs said.
> > One thing I dont understand is why the auction was considered a wholesale event, I never understood it to be as such - no more then ebay auctions and from what I have read, some prices were just as above "market" as others were under.
> >
> > Greg Catterton
> > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> > IMCA member 4682
> > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> > On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 2/23/11, John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net> wrote:
> >
> >> From: John.L.Cabassi <John at Cabassi.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction
> >> To: "'Michael Blood'" <mlblood at cox.net>, "'Richard Montgomery'" <rickmont at earthlink.net>, "'Met. Darryl Pitt'" <darryl at dof3.com>
> >> Cc: "'Meteorite List'" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 10:38 PM
> >> G'Day Michael, List and All
> >> I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to
> >> remember that
> >> this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were
> >> a lot of
> >> comments made. But why are we trying to hide something
> >> here? Aren't we
> >> trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the
> >> public that
> >> view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers /
> >> collectors being
> >> corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need
> >> to give those
> >> that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not
> >> legit.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be
> >> known, make it
> >> be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward
> >> from being
> >> negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone
> >> else's. But I'm a
> >> little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me,
> >> I'm not out
> >> to condone anybody, but give it some thought.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> John
> >> IMCA # 2125
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
> >> On Behalf Of
> >> Michael Blood
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM
> >> To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt
> >> Cc: Meteorite List
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) I responded to Darryl off list.
> >> 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST.
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, "Richard Montgomery" <rickmont at earthlink.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as
> >> someone who couldn't
> >>> attend the auction, I originally asked the List if
> >> there was any way
> >>> to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping
> >> I could find
> >>> them somewhere....Now I suggest that Michael, Capt.
> >> Blood, makes them
> >>> available only off-list by request to avoid
> >> publication in a rogue
> >>> journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on
> >> achieving TV
> >>> ratings....somehow for those of us who still don't
> >> know (I listened to
> >>
> >>> the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes).
> >>>
> >>> I know that there will be a bunch of posts about
> >> this (no pun
> >>> intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )...
> >>>
> >>> Kevin K, what do you think?
> >>>
> >>> Respect intended,
> >>> Richard Montgomery
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> >>> To: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> >>> Cc: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael,
> >>>
> >>> Please do consider not publicly posting the auction
> >> results---or if
> >>> you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making
> >> it absolutely
> >>> clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace
> >> and the prices
> >>> attained reflect the same.
> >>>
> >>> The last thing needed is more confusion for the
> >> growing legion of new
> >>> buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to
> >> navigate the murky
> >>> waters of meteorite valuation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for your consideration. All
> >> the best / Darryl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Finally got everything off - looks like I will
> >> survive.....barely.
> >>>> Soon to come: Auction
> >> results/prices
> >>>>
> >>>> Here are some goodies:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> HAPPY
> >> HUNTING! Michael
> >>>>
> >>>> All specimens may be seen at:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick
> >> plastic.
> >>>> This should
> >> never rust. Increadable surface area to
> >>>> Weight.
> >> 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175-
> >>>>
> >>>> DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen
> >> collected
> >>>> In the Monig
> >> Collection ?1K? (1A sold for $6.5K in the
> >>>> auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a
> >> considerable amount
> >>>> and is available for $600-
> >>>>
> >>>> CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in
> >> this weight range I
> >>
> >>>> saw at the show) and stands nicely on
> >>>> One side and
> >> also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500-
> >>>>
> >>>> NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 =
> >> $35=
> >>>> #2 or #3 =
> >> $45, #4 = $60
> >>>>
> >>>> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface
> >> area
> >>>> #1 = $35
> >>>> #2 = $40
> >>>> #3 = $50
> >>>>
> >>>> ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf
> >> balls. These
> >>>> I have not
> >> seen in years and only from the person I got them
> >>>> From and I
> >> got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each)
> >>>> 73.5g =
> >> $150-
> >>>> 109.6g =
> >> $220-
> >>>> 112,5g =
> >> $225-
> >>>> 123.1g =
> >> $245-
> >>>>
> >>>> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep.
> >>>> #1 = SOLD
> >>>> #2 = $50-
> >>>> #3 = $55-
> >>>>
> >>>> LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Huge speciem
> >>>> 752.3g =
> >> $1,500- SALE = $850-
> >>>>
> >>>> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> CHANGXING China .259g = SOLD
> >>>>
> >>>> UNIDENTIFIED NWA 2,612.5g Whole Stone.
> >>>> 98%+ Fusion
> >> Crusted
> >>>> = 40c/g =
> >> $1,045 SALE = under 29c/g = $750
> >>>>
> >>>> HENBURY Nice, small specimens with character
> >>>> = $3/g
> >> sale = under $2.25/g
> >>>> 38.2g =
> >> $114- SALE = $85-
> >>>> 67.4g =
> >> $202- SALE = $150-
> >>>> 70.8g =
> >> $222- SALE = $159-
> >>>>
> >>>> TATAHUINE Superb specimen = $65- SALE $50-
> >>>>
> >>>> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html
> >>>>
> >>>> NWA 6355 Lunar Full Slice 14.68g
> >>>> See full
> >> description of this full slice at:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/NWA6355_14_68g
> >>>>
> >>>> 14.68g =
> >> $700/g (here and elsewhere) = $10,275-
> >>>> SALE PRICE:
> >> under $550/g = $8,000-
> >>>>
> >>>> S-A 133.6g = $400- SALE = $275-
> >>>>
> >>>> CHICXULUB Micro-Tektites from Haiti in Riker
> >> Display
> >>>> = $40- SALE
> >> = $30-
> >>>>
> >>>> MUONIONALUSTA
> >>>> 152g Supurb
> >> Etched Full Slice = $1,520- SALE = $750-
> >>>>
> >>>> See all specimens at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> "Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it
> >> irritates the pig"
> >>
> >>>> Mark Twain
> >>>> --
> >>>> 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it,
> >>>> 2. Whenever you're right, shut up.
> >>>> Shaquille O'Neal
> >>>>
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Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC

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