[meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:55:08 +0100
Message-ID: <001901cbc494$ace65050$06b2f0f0$_at_de>

>The seller is on dangerous legal ground.

I doubt so.

Note, that Carl's "They" (gosh, I vehemently argue that there is at all a
"they". Without the postulate of a "we" and a "they" no new Tea-party would
be possible).
well note that the auction of the adhesive tape with the Apollo dust in the
1980ies, was only possible, because the "They" saw no need for action, as
the dust was unauthenticated (well and in fact a pettiness).

...which in turn doesn't mean, that it isn't the real stuff.

Btw. parts of the tape you can still acquire at my friend Florian
"Spaceflori" Noller.
Just give me a hint, if you need to contact him.

Hence I doubt so, because that little cat litter specimen offered on ebay
is: Nothing.

"confiscated by NASA." Probably rather by police or FBI in case.


Off now for the Munich meteorite dinner & bowling.

Nose cones vs. Shatter cones.

(In German bowling is called cone-ing - due to the conical shape of the
pins).

I'm thrilled to hear the stories of the bolide dropping calculators and
their hunting adventures of the first possible fall of the year here in
Germany.

Martin


PS.
Shhhht Carl, wasn't there also a terrestrial lunar analogs collection at
NASA then?
I guess your engineer mixed something up. Would be also somewhat un-good, if
even while nasty uncle Wernher didn't get any, as well as it took 40 years
until the heroes, who had risk their lives to set their feet on Moon
received a crumb - that then the guys from NASA said, hey Dude, you did a
good job, instead of the usual watch, here you have a piece of Moon, had
cost a quarter of million tax-money per gram to get it, have fun with it.
Btw. also an edition of casts of lunar rocks exists. Not to mention the
lunar soil simulants, still available for a few single bucks per pound.


  
 

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Steve
Schoner
Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Februar 2011 18:17
An: countdeiro at earthlink.net
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

Yes, Count, I remember that day in December two years ago when I won it. My
heart was beating fast as I watched the seconds go expecting this piece of
tape jumping from hundreds to thousands in the last seconds.

2 seconds before closing I placed my bid...

I could not believe it... I sniped it for $451.00!

(BTW: The worst time to place items on Ebay is the Holidays, it is a buyer's
market and a sellers loss.)

The "Moon Dust" tape and Documents of Authenticity from "Spaceflori" came on
Dec 18th, 2009. I spent days after looking at this tiny piece of tape under
my microscope, amazed to see the spherical glass beads, green, orange, beige
glass beads, other lunar dust particles, and even a few fibers of beta cloth
from the glove that Neal Armstrong wore when he picked Magazine S from the
surface of the moon.

As for that piece of reputed "Apollo moon rock" on Ebay now... As I wrote
before... Even a piece reputed to be from the Apollo program can be
confiscated by NASA. And the buyer should he or she win it, is not exempt
from such confiscation either.

The seller is on dangerous legal ground.

Steve Schoner


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Count Deiro <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
To: Steve Schoner <schoner at mybluelight.com>,
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Cc: mia at miataylor.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:16:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)

Hi Steve and List,

Thanks for posting the link to your very informative video. Congratulations
on what must be one of the all time best "sniping" incidents on EBay. You do
have the "real deal".

Listers might not know that the international auction house, Sothebys,
auctioned dust from a Russian unmanned lunar mission. In 1970 the Soviet
Union sent an automated sample-return mission to the moon and three
fragments collected on this mission, weighing just 200 milligrams, were sold
by Sotheby's Vice Chairman, David Redden, for $442.500.00. The sale was held
in 1993, so in today's dollars we are probably talking near a million.

You lucky dog.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

  


-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Schoner <schoner at mybluelight.com>
>Sent: Feb 3, 2011 10:10 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
>
>As much as I know it is illegal to even present an item such as this rock
on Ebay as an authentic Apollo recovered moon rock. Even if it is not, just
to state that it is is enough to have it confiscated by the U.S. Government.
>
>A case in point was a recent desk mount with a pen holder that had a molded
plastic transparent rock that supposedly had Apollo recovered lunar dust and
sand sized rock particles in it. It was being auctioned at a major auction
house and was taken down when the U.S. Government confiscated it. It was
tested and from what I recall returned to the owner(s)as it could not be
confirmed as authentic.
>
>And that was the end of that as a salable piece.
>
>However, the Terry Slezak Apollo 11 Moon Dust tape IS authentic. And as
much as I know it is the only Apollo 11 lunar material that is available for
the public to own. The entire poster board with the Moon dust tape,some
foil from the Apollo 11, the label from Magazine S that Armstrong dropped, a
note that Buzz Aldrin wrote on the moon, and the Apollo 11 crew signatures,
was included in an auction that Mr. Florian Noller won sometime in 2001.
This tape was then sectioned into small triangles, each having particles of
moon dust on them, which he then sold under his company "Spaceflori."
>
>It is the real deal. I know because I won one of these Apollo "Moon Dust"
tape presentations on Ebay a few years ago. I could not believe the low
price I won it at. It was a real loss to the seller, but he honored the
deal. I remember that it was brought up on this MetList and there was much
doubt of it's authenticity. But I knew otherwise, having previously
followed the sale of the Slezak tape in a Space artifacts auction held 2001.
>
>Under a high power microscope there is no doubt in my mind that it is the
real thing. I communicated with Mr. Noller in Germany and he remembered the
person that I obtained it from. He was amazed at the low price that I
obtained it in the Ebay auction, stating that Ebay is not the place to
auction such artifacts.
>
>Here is my Apollo 11 "Moon Dust" tape--- the real deal:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C3lPlmpoKo
>
>But...
>
>As for the suspected Apollo moon rock being offered on Ebay. If NASA finds
out about the auction it will be taken down by court order if Ebay refuses.
That I do know.
>
>Steve Schoner
>
>
>
>It was in fact proven to have been presented to Mr. Slezak
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 20:35:21 -0500
>From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
>To: Walter Branch <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>
>Cc: Meteorite-list List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Message-ID:
> <AANLkTim8GV1m7mLqLFyhiM1qxYP6_pKB6ObiJ10w4tqc at mail.gmail.com>
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>
>Hi Walt and List,
>
>Thanks for reminding me about the camera cartridge dust. I had
>forgotten about that. AFAIK, that is the only legal Apollo lunar
>material on the market. I've love to own one of those little pieces
>of tape with dust on it, but the asking price is too rich for my
>blood. I'll have to settle for a small micro of NWA 482. :)
>
>I guess one of us could report the auction to eBay, but I doubt they
>will pull the auction down. I gave up on reporting things to eBay,
>since they never listen to me.
>
>Best regards,
>
>MikeG
>
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