[meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN
From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:04:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8CE96301D9E4B67-156C-5FE52_at_webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com> Hi my friend MikeG and happy New Year! but ... I sure hope no one takes any investment advice from you! The quality of the meteorites has less impact on the value than the supply and demand situation. NWA 482 is expensive because it was doled it out, like Haag with Esquel and any others of a number of highly profitable monopolized falls. This one is clearly not price controllable, it is well-distributed whether desireable or not. The initial sales were already made at very low price and those are the guys that are sitting on top of the profit, but that is long gone. The posts are divided into two groups: the haves and the have-nots. The haves want to drive up the price to lock in a profit (and if they bought in at an in-between price, have got to be sweating bullets with the increase in material mentioned), so every time they open their mouthes it will be as a strategy to claw up the price in a clueless market so far. The name of the game for our high octane meteorite gambling contingent is to buy lower than the other guy, that's all there is to be done. And the have nots, some are pissed they missed out and either have sour grapes, or others who couldn't give a hoot, or ar just happy they don't have to deal with all this gambling crap this time around. And their posts will tend to reflect that. If no one buys more now, in a few weeks the price will crash whether you are a have or a have not. Doesn't matter what the material is unless it has a customer base. The people that will set the price are not the ones that have bought, and not the ones that will wait till the party is over. They are the ones right now that will pony up hundreds of thousands of dollars to tide the sources appetites over so they hold out until the Sun rises and everyone has to go back to work. If that money doesn't show up soon ... As for science, science doesn't eat meteorites. With 20 grams most everything could be figured out except variations among sampling points. Either way, just because the scientists are salivating like us doesn't mean all that much more science will be done, and certainly nothing that 100 grams couldn't handle. I mean - what are the hypotheses you expect this rock will answer? Not saying there isn't interesting research to be done, but it's not for every Tom Dick and Nancy with a lab coat to do. Two top groups will handily characterize it, and they probably have enough material on the way already. Next time you think a fresh meteorite will demand lots of money just look at Allende. The best meteorite of all (and more interesting than another Shergottite) and for years priced below lots of rap including common H's and L's. If there are 10 kilograms, at "only" $100/g, that's $1,000,000.00. Then, if it gets retailed at $300/g that's $3,000,000 of capitalization. Are you one of the 10 people ready to plow $100,000 into this? Or do you think that the sale of a micro or oooh, a one gram specimen for a zillion dollars a gram means anything at all except marketing posture (Hey look ten kg is worth a zillion becasue I sold ten milligrams for X)? Because markets have this way of getting out of control very quickly, and if the monopoly wasn't already established, the cat can never be shoe-horned back into the bag. Just go buy some Chergach, Bassi or Dreyga if you don't want to deal with this one. Probably a better investment anyway. Too much speculation going on with the Martian at the moment to be anything other than a gamble. Nothing will be clear on this until the end of Tucson. Best wishes Doug (a have-not) Don't worry about that, there's a sucker born every minute. (Chicago gambling hall, Michael McDonald, 1867) -----Original Message----- From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com> To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 5:46 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN Hi Adam and List, It's the most important fall of 2011 and of the past 50 years. The inner cores of these fresh specimens will provide pristine uncontaminated material for science. This is the freshest Martian and planetary there is. I imagine demand will be quite high, beyond the usual frenzy we see at the beginning of all new falls. This meteorite will surely end up in several journals and that will create an ongoing demand as new research yields tantalizing clues of the solar system's past. This goes far beyond any ordinary chondrite fall and will have more interest than other Martian material that comes from large paired finds. Given the planetary status, the freshness, the fact it is unpaired, and a modest TKW, this new Martian will probably settle down on the higher end of Martian collector meteorites. If nothing else, it will compete very favorably against other Martians, much like how NWA 482 historically fetches higher prices than your "average" lunaite. Best regards and Happy New Year! MikeG -- ************************************************* Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone *************************************************** On 12/31/11, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote: > If you believe there is only 6 kilos lying around then perhaps you should > wait and see how much there really is. Jason just posted that he can > account for between 10-11 kilos which agrees with what I have heard so far. > I want to know how much there is before acquiring a big chunk for myself. I > am excited about this new Martian fall and wonder why there is not much talk > about it like previous ordinary chondrite falls. > > Perhaps, everybody could post what they have like has been done for previous > falls and we can determine if we have a record setter on our hands. > > Happy Collecting, > > Adam > > > > > > > > Like I sadi, I wil lwaitt see how much there really is before > > > Original Message ----- > > From: Michael Farmer <mike at meteoriteguy.com> > To: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> > Cc: Adam <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN > > Show me these 11 kg.... > I believe what I see and i know of around 6kg. > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Wow, the weight popped from just 6 kilos a week ago and is now well over >> 11kilos this week and still climbing. I am hoping for a new world record >> so there will be plenty of nice large pieces for collection and study >> purposes. Wouldn't that be something? It would be nice if more images >> were posted with accurate weights. It is a sham that both Shergotty and >> Zagami have rounded off weights. Can't somebody afford an accurate scale >> instead of just guessing? >> >> Happy New Year, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: rachid chaoui <chaouirachid81 at gmail.com> >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> Cc: >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:07 AM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] TKW OF THE TATA MARTIAN >> >> Hello all >> all What is exchanged about the TKW of TATA in met list just rumors >> ,TATA will not comes to Zagami (18kg) i assume that the TKW will be >> betwen 9-10kg, the days come and we'll have the truth >> best greetings >> -- >> Rachid Chaoui >> IMCA # 4157 >> ______________________________________________ >> HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> ______________________________________________ >> HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! 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