[meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality - umm, OT

From: Linton Rohr <lintonius_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:08:24 -0800
Message-ID: <618EB0C361B344B781901595DC9A183A_at_D190TH71>

This thread is just getting more and more about meteorites.
Now *that* was just a lie. <g>
Linton

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From: <pshugar at messengersfromthecosmos.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality


> That's exactly the problem with a polygraph-
> There's way too much room for interpretation.
> Pete
>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>>> From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>> Date: Tue, December 20, 2011 1:55 pm
>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>> To: "dave carothers" <carothersdl at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>>>
>>>
>>> > Dave,
>>> >
>>> > Yes, they measure changes in bodily functions, nobody disputes that.
>>> > But
>>> > what do these changes mean? Is there a scientifically proven
>>> > correspondence between the physiological changes and lying or truth
>>> > telling? No there isn't. The changes could indicate simple
>>> > nervousness
>>> > about being accused of a crime. They could indicate an upset stomach
>>> > or a
>>> > migraine headache. They could indicate you're a Yogi master who can
>>> > control his bodily responses. There's way too much room for
>>> > interpretation
>>> > when you try to determine a specific state of mind by measuring
>>> > physiological responses.
>>> >
>>> > Phil Whitmer
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "dave carothers" <carothersdl at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Matson, Robert D."
>>> > <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
>>> > Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:42 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Polygraph instruments are not meant to "read your mind". They only
>>> >> measure changes to the autonomic nervous system (BP, galvinic skin
>>> >> response, heart rate, etc.). When properly calibrated, the
>>> >> instrument
>>> >> does exactly that. You can't beat a peoperly calibrated polygraph
>>> >> instrument.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can, however, beat/fool the examiner and as Rob already stated,
>>> >> there
>>> >> are instances of pathological liars defeating the exam. Their
>>> >> autonomic
>>> >> nervous system doesn't respond like the norm and therefore deception
>>> >> is
>>> >> not indicated during the exam questioning.
>>> >>
>>> >> Merry Christmas everyone!
>>> >>
>>> >> Dave
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
>>> >> To: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
>>> >> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:08 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Rob,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The National Academy of Sciences called the tests "unreliable,
>>> >>> unscientific and biased."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your
>>> >>> blood
>>> >>> pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many
>>> >>> scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your
>>> >>> mind,
>>> >>> then why bother with a trial?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Phil Whitmer
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
>>> >>> To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Galactic Stone & Ironworks"
>>> >>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; "Benjamin P. Sun" <bpsun2009 at gmail.com>
>>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Polygraph testing legality
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Phil wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense
>>> >>> contractor on a special-access-required program. ;-)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure
>>> >>>> psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people.
>>> >>> But they can be defeated by pathological liars. --Rob
>>> >>>
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