[meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality

From: pshugar at messengersfromthecosmos.com <pshugar_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:22:47 -0700
Message-ID: <20111220182247.979558876a36f2d1b40acd6b9bcaf01e.f05f1d1752.wbe_at_email09.secureserver.net>

That's exactly the problem with a polygraph-
There's way too much room for interpretation.
Pete



> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
> From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
> Date: Tue, December 20, 2011 1:55 pm
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
> To: "dave carothers" <carothersdl at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > Yes, they measure changes in bodily functions, nobody disputes that. But
> > what do these changes mean? Is there a scientifically proven
> > correspondence between the physiological changes and lying or truth
> > telling? No there isn't. The changes could indicate simple nervousness
> > about being accused of a crime. They could indicate an upset stomach or a
> > migraine headache. They could indicate you're a Yogi master who can
> > control his bodily responses. There's way too much room for interpretation
> > when you try to determine a specific state of mind by measuring
> > physiological responses.
> >
> > Phil Whitmer
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "dave carothers" <carothersdl at gmail.com>
> > To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Matson, Robert D."
> > <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> > Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
> >
> >
> >> Polygraph instruments are not meant to "read your mind". They only
> >> measure changes to the autonomic nervous system (BP, galvinic skin
> >> response, heart rate, etc.). When properly calibrated, the instrument
> >> does exactly that. You can't beat a peoperly calibrated polygraph
> >> instrument.
> >>
> >> You can, however, beat/fool the examiner and as Rob already stated, there
> >> are instances of pathological liars defeating the exam. Their autonomic
> >> nervous system doesn't respond like the norm and therefore deception is
> >> not indicated during the exam questioning.
> >>
> >> Merry Christmas everyone!
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
> >> To: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> >> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
> >>
> >>
> >>> Rob,
> >>>
> >>> There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition.
> >>>
> >>> The National Academy of Sciences called the tests "unreliable,
> >>> unscientific and biased."
> >>>
> >>> I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood
> >>> pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many
> >>> scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind,
> >>> then why bother with a trial?
> >>>
> >>> Phil Whitmer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> >>> To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Galactic Stone & Ironworks"
> >>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; "Benjamin P. Sun" <bpsun2009 at gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
> >>> Subject: Polygraph testing legality
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Phil wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the
> >>>> Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).
> >>>
> >>> Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense
> >>> contractor on a special-access-required program. ;-)
> >>>
> >>>> Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure
> >>>> psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing.
> >>>
> >>> Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people.
> >>> But they can be defeated by pathological liars. --Rob
> >>>
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