[meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality

From: dorifry <dorifry_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:32:15 -0500
Message-ID: <614AFEB898EA452499A1EE6B08EE0858_at_DoriPC>

Hi Jim,

Actually, in Arizona, polygraph tests are only admissable if the judge and
both lawyers agree to admit the evidence. You can be 100% sure that at
least one lawyer is going to vote against admittance! This is why polygraph
results are almost never, (if ever) allowed in court in any state.

Taken together, the scientific studies on polygraph accuracy indicate that
it's slightly better than flipping a coin.

I can provide anecdotal evidence that is the exact opposite of the story you
told.

If your son had failed the test, I believe you would think polygraphs are
completely bogus.

Phil Whitmer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Wooddell" <nf114ec at npgcable.com>
To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
Cc: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:03 PM
Subject: OT: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality


>
> Hello Phil, Rob,
>
> Some years ago, one of my children was accused of dropping his pants and
> shaking his package at some young girls walking by my home.
> The cops came (who I knew...one was and still is a jerk and no longer
> works in my town) and questioned my son in my presence up until I said
> enough. The girls describe a kid in sweat pants and my son had never owned
> sweat pants, nor did the wife ever buy him any. This one jerk cop had
> something against my kid and just kept pushing my buttons.
> During this phase of the investigation, I believed my son 100% that he did
> not do it. I hired the top #1 man in the State of AZ to do a lie detector
> test on my kid within a day and a half from the interview with the cops.
> My kid traveled to Phoenix to do the test and the end result was he did
> not do what these little girls said he did.
> This data was turned over to the County Attorney and a better
> investigation was then conducted where as the little girls admitted to
> lying and the whole thing was dropped. You can bet your bottom dollar I
> believe the lie detector process works. The shoe fits on both sides of
> the law. If the top guy in AZ in the lie detector field conducts a test,
> you can also bet your bottom dollar every court in this state is going to
> respect the results of that test.
> Did I mention that cop that kept pushing my buttons no long works for my
> town? ;-)
>
> So, that said....the questions of the day.....When is a meteorite
> considered paired???
> Does someone ( a scientist) just looking at a meteorite and saying it
> looks the same justification for saying it's paired???? Or should there
> be chemical testing to support scientific evidence for pairing?
>
> Cheers and Happy Holidays!
>
> Jim
>
>
> Jim Wooddell
> https://k7wfr.us
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>
> To: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Polygraph testing legality
>
>
>> Rob,
>>
>> There are a few exceptions to the polygraph prohibition.
>>
>> The National Academy of Sciences called the tests "unreliable,
>> unscientific and biased."
>>
>> I don't believe that a machine can read your mind based on your blood
>> pressure, pulse and respiration rates. I wouldn't think too many
>> scientists would believe that. If a machine can really read your mind,
>> then why bother with a trial?
>>
>> Phil Whitmer
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Matson, Robert D." <ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com>
>> To: "dorifry" <dorifry at embarqmail.com>; "Galactic Stone & Ironworks"
>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com>; "Benjamin P. Sun" <bpsun2009 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:01 PM
>> Subject: Polygraph testing legality
>>
>>
>> Phil wrote:
>>
>>> Polygraph testing of employees is against federal law according to the
>>> Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA).
>>
>> Tell that to anyone who works for the CIA, NSA, NRO or any defense
>> contractor on a special-access-required program. ;-)
>>
>>> Just my opinion, but I'm pretty sure lie detector tests are pure
>>> psuedo-science hokem designed to scare perps into confessing.
>>
>> Under proper conditions, they work quite well against most people.
>> But they can be defeated by pathological liars. --Rob
>>
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