[meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay

From: MexicoDoug <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:13:46 -0400
Message-ID: <8CE2D846B85DE8A-232C-183ED_at_webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com>

Thank you Carl for that clear explanation, actually I was in the corner
on this one with Regine - couldn't follow any of this unambiguously
until now, but simply though I'd wait until it was properly aged for
public consumption to ask. Way to go Ruben! Carl, Your question about
Bob Haag's pecan-sized piece you already answered yourself - if it
hasn't been classified and it is not obviously paired to Cat Mountain
by reasonable cause, then it is simply an unclassified stone believed
to be a meteorite - so it would get no number unless it were submitted
with the same batch containing the numbers - logically they would all
be provisional numbers until a decision is made whether to 'officially'
keep numbers or not.

I think Rob or someone else may have asked this (I wondered at the time
as well), never saw the answer - but what is this 001 and 002 business
- has NomCom decided that this is now a dense desert? Sounds like it,
and given Carl's answers, rightly so .... but none of this was clear to
me until Carl made this post.

Finally, can someone say why those incredible US Martians: LA001 and
LA002 got numbers if they are considered paired? Bob? There's no
LA003 through LA00n that I'm aware of ... Can a slice of one be
distingueshed from another? Are there other examples of unique /
closed numbering? What ever happened to the protocol of (a), (b), (c),
...

Kindest wishes
Doug


-----Original Message-----
From: Regine Petersen <fips_bruno at yahoo.de>
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry at aol.com;
cdtucson at cox.net
Sent: Sat, Aug 20, 2011 11:54 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay


I see. Since there is no NWA or SaU without a number and the Cat
Mountain area
is not a vast desert either the numbers don't seem to make sense to me.
But in
the end I might care about it as much as the rocks do...

Cheers, R.


--- cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> schrieb am Sa, 20.8.2011:

> Von: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay
> An: "Regine Petersen" <fips_bruno at yahoo.de>,
meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
wahlperry at aol.com
> Datum: Samstag, 20. August, 2011 16:02 Uhr
> Regine,
> To be clear. I will answer your questions in ALL CAPS
> below? after each question.
>
>
>
>
>
> ?
>
>
>
> ---- Regine Petersen <fips_bruno at yahoo.de>
> wrote:
> > Hi Sonny and list,
>
> can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit
> confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These
> are the facts as far as I have understood them:
>
> Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder
> Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found
> while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces.
>
> THIS IS CORRECT. IT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO CAT MT BUT, THEY
> ARE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF L5 WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF
> SEEMS A BIT COINCIDENTAL. ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE.
>
> There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag
> which didn't get classified.
>
> TECHNICALLY IT WAS A PECAN SIZED PIECE FOUND DURING THE
> SEARCH BACK IN 1995 AND? ALSO FOUND BY THE SAME GROUP
> THAT FOUND SNYDER HILL BUT WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLD TO ROBERT
> HAAG.
> AND HE NEVER DID GET IT CLASSIFIED.
>
> Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found
> two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on eBay.
>
> NO. TWO MORE PIECES HAVE BEEN FOUND BUT ONLY PART OF ONE OF
> THEM HAS BEEN SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN. THE PIECE SOLD ON EBAY
> TO RUBEN? WEIGHED 61 GRAMS AND WAS PART OF THE RECENT
> 107 GRAM FIND. THE OTHER 170 GRAM FIND REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR
> SALE BY COUNT DEIRO.
>
> Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have
> also found the Snyder Hill piece?
>
> THE COUNT IS NOT SAYING WHO FOUND THE SECOND ONE BUT THE
> FIRST WAS FOUND BY THE SAME FELLOW (DAVE JOHNSON) WHO FOUND
> THE SNYDER HILL AND THE ONE SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG..
>
> Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was
> found designated 001?
> THE SECOND ROCK WAS THE ONE DESIGNATED 001 AND THE THIRD
> ONE WHICH IS STILL BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNT IS 002. IT
> WEIGHS 164.5 GRAMS
>
> The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the
> original find get the first number?
>
> NO. THE ORIGINAL FIND GETS THE NAME. TECHNICALLY THE
> FOLLOWING FINDS GET THE SAME NAME WITH SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS
> AFTER THE NAME BUT THIS IS THE CONFUSING PART. I THOUGHT
> THEY ONLY GOT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IF THEY WERE FOUND TO BE A
> DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. THE REASON I AM CONFUSED IS THAT
> SNYDER HILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED CAT MT.
> 001 AS IT WAS FOUND IN THE CAT MT STREWNFIELD BUT IT GOT A
> SEPARATE NAME.
> SO, MY QUESTION IS ; WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO NAME THESE
> NOW FIVE METEORITES? THERE IS CAT MT THE ORIGINAL AND?
> MAIN MASS. AND THREE OTHER RELATED ROCKS ONE PECAN SIZE ROCK
> SOLD TO HAAG. ONE 107 GRAM ROCK PART OF WHICH WAS SOLD TO
> RUBEN AND THE LAST ONE OF 170 GRAMS THE COUNT IS SELLING
> 164.5 GRAMS OF NOW. AND THERE IS SNYDER HILL..
> IS THERE A TRUE OFFICIAL WAY TO DO THIS?
> CARL
>
> Pretty amazing finds :-)
> Regine
>
>
>
>
> --- wahlperry at aol.com
> <wahlperry at aol.com>
> schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011:
>
> > Von: wahlperry at aol.com
> <wahlperry at aol.com>
> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
> > An: cdtucson at cox.net,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr
> > Hi Carl,
> >
> > These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example
> to
> > everyone that if one meteorite is found return and
> check for
> > more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a
> > different fall.? The number one key is to spend time
> in
> > the field and to have fun!
> >
> > Sonny
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cdtucson <cdtucson at cox.net>
> > To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
> > wahlperry <wahlperry at aol.com>
> > Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
> >
> >
> > Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and
> finder are
> > also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995.
> They
> > also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of
> that
> > Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also
> had
> > no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find
> until
> > now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT
> strewnfield back
> > in 1995 and I was with them when they originally
> found
> > Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden
> and
> > Jerome Johnson? found the first half of Snyder Hill
> and
> > the very next day Dave found the other half on the
> opposite
> > side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and
> each
> > half went it's own direction. They were later reunited
> and
> > they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it
> a
> > million times. "Go back and search where meteorites
> have
> > been found before". It worked again. I talked to Dave
> > tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me
> he had
> > not ever been back since his first find until this
> past
> > March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This
> story has
> > another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone
> was
> > worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was
> afraid
> > to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to
> ask
> > questions. Only rumors. Long story short? the true
> find
> > location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly
> documented
> > and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went
> back to
> > the hill because that is the only place he had ever
> found a
> > meteorite and low and behold he found another of the
> holy
> > grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT
> itself. He
> > says he sold it? to Ruben for a pile of money and
> some
> > nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks
> like
> > Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if
> they were
> > 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl--? ? ?
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ? ???"Democracy is two wolves and
> > a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is
> a
> > well-armed lamb contesting the vote".? ? ---- wahlperry at aol.com
> > wrote: > Hi List,> > Cat Mountain for sale
> on
> > Ebay.> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf93ca46c>
> > > > >
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