[meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:02:15 -0400
Message-ID: <20110820100215.MTYTE.1621555.imail_at_fed1rmwml31>

Regine,
To be clear. I will answer your questions in ALL CAPS below after each question.





  

 

---- Regine Petersen <fips_bruno at yahoo.de> wrote:
> Hi Sonny and list,

can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I have understood them:

Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat Mountain pieces.
 
THIS IS CORRECT. IT HAS NOT BEEN LINKED TO CAT MT BUT, THEY ARE THE SAME CLASSIFICATION OF L5 WHICH IN AND OF ITSELF SEEMS A BIT COINCIDENTAL. ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK NOTHING ALIKE.

There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert Haag which didn't get classified.

TECHNICALLY IT WAS A PECAN SIZED PIECE FOUND DURING THE SEARCH BACK IN 1995 AND ALSO FOUND BY THE SAME GROUP THAT FOUND SNYDER HILL BUT WAS IMMEDIATELY SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG.
AND HE NEVER DID GET IT CLASSIFIED.

Now hunters were searching the Snyder Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on eBay.
 
NO. TWO MORE PIECES HAVE BEEN FOUND BUT ONLY PART OF ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN. THE PIECE SOLD ON EBAY TO RUBEN WEIGHED 61 GRAMS AND WAS PART OF THE RECENT 107 GRAM FIND. THE OTHER 170 GRAM FIND REMAINS AVAILABLE FOR SALE BY COUNT DEIRO.

Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the Snyder Hill piece?
 
THE COUNT IS NOT SAYING WHO FOUND THE SECOND ONE BUT THE FIRST WAS FOUND BY THE SAME FELLOW (DAVE JOHNSON) WHO FOUND THE SNYDER HILL AND THE ONE SOLD TO ROBERT HAAG..

 Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which was found designated 001?
THE SECOND ROCK WAS THE ONE DESIGNATED 001 AND THE THIRD ONE WHICH IS STILL BEING OFFERED BY THE COUNT IS 002. IT WEIGHS 164.5 GRAMS

The second one hasn't been classified, but wouldn't the original find get the first number?

NO. THE ORIGINAL FIND GETS THE NAME. TECHNICALLY THE FOLLOWING FINDS GET THE SAME NAME WITH SEQUENTIAL NUMBERS AFTER THE NAME BUT THIS IS THE CONFUSING PART. I THOUGHT THEY ONLY GOT DIFFERENT NUMBERS IF THEY WERE FOUND TO BE A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION. THE REASON I AM CONFUSED IS THAT SNYDER HILL SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED CAT MT. 001 AS IT WAS FOUND IN THE CAT MT STREWNFIELD BUT IT GOT A SEPARATE NAME.
SO, MY QUESTION IS ; WHICH IS THE CORRECT WAY TO NAME THESE NOW FIVE METEORITES? THERE IS CAT MT THE ORIGINAL AND MAIN MASS. AND THREE OTHER RELATED ROCKS ONE PECAN SIZE ROCK SOLD TO HAAG. ONE 107 GRAM ROCK PART OF WHICH WAS SOLD TO RUBEN AND THE LAST ONE OF 170 GRAMS THE COUNT IS SELLING 164.5 GRAMS OF NOW. AND THERE IS SNYDER HILL..
IS THERE A TRUE OFFICIAL WAY TO DO THIS?
CARL

Pretty amazing finds :-)
Regine




--- wahlperry at aol.com <wahlperry at aol.com> schrieb am Fr, 19.8.2011:

> Von: wahlperry at aol.com <wahlperry at aol.com>
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
> An: cdtucson at cox.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Datum: Freitag, 19. August, 2011 16:29 Uhr
> Hi Carl,
>
> These are truly amazing finds. This is a great example to
> everyone that if one meteorite is found return and check for
> more pieces. Who knows, you may find something from a
> different fall.? The number one key is to spend time in
> the field and to have fun!
>
> Sonny
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cdtucson <cdtucson at cox.net>
> To: meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
> wahlperry <wahlperry at aol.com>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 19, 2011 3:00 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay
>
>
> Sonny,This is interesting because the seller and finder are
> also the original finders of Snyder Hill back in 1995. They
> also found a pecan sized cat MT I was never aware of that
> Bob Haag never got added to the official record.I also had
> no idea they were the finders of this new Cat MT find until
> now but, I actually took them to the Cat MT strewnfield back
> in 1995 and I was with them when they originally found
> Snyder Hill.It was interesting because Mike Holden and
> Jerome Johnson? found the first half of Snyder Hill and
> the very next day Dave found the other half on the opposite
> side of the hill. It seems it had struck the hill and each
> half went it's own direction. They were later reunited and
> they fit perfectly back together.Bob Haag has said it a
> million times. "Go back and search where meteorites have
> been found before". It worked again. I talked to Dave
> tonight for the first time since 1995 and he told me he had
> not ever been back since his first find until this past
> March when he found this latest Cat MT. 001. This story has
> another interesting twist to it. Back then everyone was
> worried about ownership. For this reason everyone was afraid
> to mention find locations. There was no Met-list to ask
> questions. Only rumors. Long story short? the true find
> location of Snyder Hill was eventually correctly documented
> and named appropriately. Tonight Dave said he went back to
> the hill because that is the only place he had ever found a
> meteorite and low and behold he found another of the holy
> grail of all impact melt breccias. A new Cat MT itself. He
> says he sold it? to Ruben for a pile of money and some
> nice meteorites were thrown in on the deal. So, looks like
> Dave finds meteorites every time he hunts. Even if they were
> 16 years apart. Great job Dave.Carl--? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ???"Democracy is two wolves and
> a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a
> well-armed lamb contesting the vote".? ? ---- wahlperry at aol.com
> wrote: > Hi List,> > Cat Mountain for sale on
> Ebay.> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Cat-Mountian-meteorite-001-/330599015532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf93ca46c>
> > > >
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