[meteorite-list] OT -Oil reserves, the reality
From: David R. Vann <drvann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 14:16:24 -0400 Message-ID: <234ABB34F89B4C159258F4901E805AAB_at_sas.upenn.edu> Thought maybe it was time to change the thread title, and maybe stop this non-meteorite thread. In truth, I am responding to correct some factually inaccurate statements. Guido, I respectfully suggest that you investigate the facts before you make statements like "We are played for fools by the career politicians in Washington who pander to the environmentalists and prevent us from tapping our own reserves which are larger and easier to obtain than all the oil in the Middle East. That's why we object to increased pump prices." Politicians are not pandering to environmentalists, they are pandering to businesses, I think the events of the last thirty years speak very strongly to this; attacks on the Clean Air and Clean water acts, the Great Recession, the Savings and Loan disaster, the Energy trading frauds, etc. (I can go on for quite a while here, but is not the forum). Environmentalists have very little influence on the price of oil, if any. Rather, market forces determine this entirely. Examples: in the late '70's oil did not skyrocket because of environmentalists, it did so because OPEC was flexing its newfound muscle. Oil prices did not jump prior to the Great Recession because of environmentalists; it jumped because of speculators and because the oil refiners underestimated demand by China and India, resulting in inadequte production capacity (there was plenty of crude oil). The cost of oil is related to the cost of drilling; I could, again, go on, but this isn't really the forum. Suffice it to say, the price of oil is driven by market factors that are *not* related to supply, as the supply can be (and frequently is) increased to meet demand. So, environmentalists atempting to reduce drilling are not affecting the price, regardless of how one wants to view it. Most recently, the state of Florida, under a Republican govorner, decided to limit in-shore drilling to protect the states' fishing and tourist industries. They were deemed more valuable (to the state) than the short-term gains from onshore drilling - an economic argument, not an environmental one. Our oil prices are lower because we consume so much, getting a discount, and because we subsidize the oil companies with tax dollars. Government subsidies for profitable companies are not defensible, yet they keep getting them, because the politicians are pandering to the industries paying for their reelection. The final inaccuracy, " tapping our own reserves which are larger and easier to obtain than all the oil in the Middle East" is the most egregious. This is simply wrong. The proven resources in the US are about 22 billion barrels of oil; Saudi arabia *alone* has an estimated 270 billion barrels. Although that number has been questioned as possibly politically motivated, it is not overestmated by a factor of ten. If we take the 1968 numbers (before OPEC), they had something like 170 billion barrels, still fabulously more than our reserves. Our remaining reserves are not easier to obtain (discounting the politcal issues related to dealing with the Middle East), as they are increasingly deep water reserves (whose difficulty was amply demonstrated last summer) or in shales, which are environmentally destructive and energetically and mechanically difficult to extract; in fact, to date, there has been no economically viable method to extract these (but we will, when gas is expensive enough). The oil companies are going for the easy fruit first, as it is the most profitable. Sorry, but I have a difficult time letting false information get distributed - much like the NYT article. Plenty of others responded to that, so I'm responding to this one. The fact is, the Middle East holds more than one-half of the total reserves in the world. North America, including the shale sands in Canada holds maybe 16%. The largest reserves are in Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and the former USSR. We consume about 6.6 billion barrels per year, so we have about 3 or 4 years, if we drilled everything (that we 'own'). The world average consumption rate vs the reserves indicates that we have about 50-60 years left (at current consumption rates, which are increasing substantially each year). So, to recap this too long message: Oil prices reflect market forces, not environmentalist obstruction. The US does not have more oil, easily obtained or not, than the Middle East. We complain about high oil prices, not because of politicians, but because it means we have fewer dollars left to buy meteorites. (that puts it back on topic. Sort of.) David R. Vann, Ph.D. Department of Earth and Environmental Science THE UNIVERSITY of PENNSYLVANIA 240 S. 33rd St. Philadelphia, PA 19104-6316 drvann at sas.upenn.edu office: 215-898-4906 FAX: 215-898-0964 Received on Fri 08 Apr 2011 02:16:24 PM PDT |
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