[meteorite-list] New York Times Article

From: Michael Gilmer <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:36:01 -0400
Message-ID: <BANLkTikU_xwAAsauXPqpes9=dvJ6OkPWBQ_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hi Martin and List,

Martin said - " Neither the others from the list here could do it,
cause they are junkies.... Nor IMCA can help, because in that former
Gebel Kamil article in New Scientist IMCA was umasked as the meteorite
trade's dogsbody...I agree with Matt and others. In principle only a
rebuttal of an esteemed meteorite scientist would be credible. (Best
would be of course by Dr.Harvey himself)."

Agreed 100%. Someone in the scientific community should make the
rebuttal. The IMCA has an obvious conflict of interest in the matter
in regards to selling meteorites for profit (especially since some
IMCA dealers are selling Gebel Kamil). Most collectors and dealers
would also have trouble being viewed as objective by most.

As Richard K. just said in another post, this is likely much-ado about
not-much. In other words, this is not the end of the world. Another
fool saying foolish things about meteorites. Surely this will add to
the body of ridiculous misconceptions about meteorites, but no
rational person is going to be swayed by pulp fiction like the NYT
article.

Best regards,

MikeG


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On 4/6/11, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> but do they have the credibility for the common NYT-reader?
> According the article they are looters, drug lords driven by rampant greed.
>
> Neither the others from the list here could do it, cause they are junkies.
>
> Nor IMCA can help, because in that former Gebel Kamil article in New
> Scientist IMCA was umasked as the meteorite trade's dogsbody.
>
> I agree with Matt and others. In principle only a rebuttal of an esteemed
> meteorite scientist would be credible. (Best would be of course by Dr.Harvey
> himself).
>
> Because so far they weren't defamed that much in public. Only by Dr.Bland,
> expressing his hysteric dilemma to be dependent on the private finds, but
> helping the proliferation in doing research on them.
>
> And the intellectual all-time high of Brother Consolmagno
> to set his esteemed colleagues on one level with murderers
>
> (The Jesuits are the most papal order. And in the doctrine, see e.g. the
> encyclical "Donum Vitae" the destruction of embryonic stem cells is
> equivalent with abortion and murder. Was even once suggested by the papal
> family council to excommunicate stem cell researchers and women giving
> ovules for that kind of research too. So he certainly can't tell, that his
> comparison was an accidental slip)
>
> ..is fortunately not so widely known.
>
>
> That Pharisee! He can run in the confessional after each time having worked
> on such a supposedly illicitly collected meteorite - and the knee bench
> inside must be very worn meanwhile - on so many he worked!
> But others?
>
> Oops, have to puke again,
> when I read the quote again....
>
> Gulp
> Martin
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Brian
> Cox
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. April 2011 17:08
> An: Meteorite-list
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] New York Times Article
>
> Dirk and list,
>
> I think our best Media Face at this time certainly seems to be Geoff and
> Steve. Steve and Geoff do you think your producers would be able to fit a
> segment into your next show that deals with this perception of the Meteorite
>
> Community or even just a quick spot that states this is a legitimate hobby
> and that we are hard working honest people that love meteorites or something
>
> outstanding that would help to turn what this article had done into a
> positive view of us.
>
> I don't think this can wait much longer and needs to be addressed
> immediately. It would be a shame for this negative image to be spread out
> there in the world and that we're more than helpful in this hobby in
> assisting the scientific community and I think the sooner it's dealt with
> and squashed the better. My fear is that if we don't do something that bad
> stories and rumors will fly. If you guys are able to possibly even just add
> on a 30 second spot at the beginning or end of any of your reruns that it
> would help you guys and help all of us greatly.
>
> We definitely need good publicity and I don't want to put you guys on the
> spot and I know it's a lot to ask but if you could get your producers and
> the network to work something in I definitely feel that in the long run it
> would be great publicity for your show and would make sure you keep the
> viewers you have and hopefully bring in new viewers.
>
> All the best to everyone.
>
> Brian
>
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