[meteorite-list] Onlist Offlist and Ethics...was tat

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 13:15:58 -0700
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=6WFHxOw_FtMhX62es8QNboiY-wA_at_mail.gmail.com>

You're the one making accusations, Elton. You're the one who needs
the notarized documents. It's not "guilty until proven innocent," at
least where I'm from.

As such, it's all still just libel. If you read my last post, I
already covered the issues glanced at in your spectacularly insulting
post.

You're not Mr. Policeman, same as me. If others have had issues with
Steve in the past, it's their job to bring them to light. All you
keep saying is "he has defrauded nameless others."

I'm sorry, but that doesn't count as evidence, and since none of those
people are willing to share, you're just parading an empty flag.

Your last email makes you sound borderline insane. If your first post
didn't get you banned, this one should. I have nothing else to say.

Jason



On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 12:39 PM, MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lets let Steve speak for himself, Shall we?
>
> (Why do all these enablers keep complaining about taking things off list --then
> insure their diatribes are ?posted onlist?) ?Liberals, politicians in general,
> and crooks always seem to exempt themselves from the rules they demand others
> follow. ?Why are you making a "personal attack"against me on-list when you
> preach about it being a list violation? ?Didn't you have a recent diatribe about
> ethics? ?Where are your ethics?
>
> I've addressed why I thought my post was list business twice now and I will not
> justify it again--especially to you. ?So please take your misguided,
> misinformed, parental conflict, ignorance of the facts, situation and complain
> to someone else. ?And Jason, my "widdle antagonist", Your mouth seems to have
> certain echo quality --like it was coming out of ?your loins. Have you thought
> about ?having it surgically repositioned?-- ?You've no fracking idea what my
> email settings are just who is engaging in idle speculation?
>
> There are several members of the meteorite community who know specifically what
> unethical / illegal activities I am talking about, I don't remember you stepping
> forward at the time. ?So once again you haven't a clue and I tire of the magical
> trick you keep putting in my face where you pull a smelly bouquet out of a body
> orifice and call it "righteous indignation".
>
>
> Jason I don't see your name listed on any of the notarized documents ?and so far
> as I can tell you aren't entitled to view them either. ?As you've made amply
> clear, you have deep abiding tiff with me which won't die so you look for every
> opportunity to grind your ax. ?I have a beef with Steve's ethics but at least I
> have a reason which I state EVERYTIME I have cause to bring it up. ? This is
> sorta my way of saying talk to the hand.
>
> So put your effort where your mouth is and if you feel compelled to "chastise
> me" or lie about me-- follow your own demands and write me off list. ?I do not
> just now have your emails set to automatically get File 13ed.
>
> Elton
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
>> To: Meteorite-list <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;
>>listman at meteoritecentral.com; Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>> Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 2:42:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] tatahouine
>>
>> Elton, A few things,
>>
>> 1) This issue is essentially identical to a similar ?situation from
>> about a year ago in which a list-member publicly 'called out' ?another
>> member on supposed illegal things they'd done. ?Regardless of ?the
>> court's verdict, the person who publicly posted the libel ?(yes,
>> "libel," because Chicago Steve has not been determined to be guilty ?of
>> anything) was banned from the list. ?In my opinion, you deserve ?the
>> same treatment.
>>
>> You are publicly accusing Steve of illegal and ?potentially damaging
>> things without a shred of proof.
>>
>> That is libel, ?and this list should not serve as a means for your
>> illegal dissemination of ?unfounded, damaging accusations.
>>
>> If this list is 'fair,' you should be ?banned.
>>
>> 2) The issue that you have brought to light in no way has any ?bearing
>> on Steve's dealings in meteorites. ?I know for a fact that taxes ?are
>> not paid on many dealer and collector transactions because both ?cash
>> and rocks trade hands undeclared. ?Since I don't see you decrying ?such
>> actions as defrauding the government, and since the money saved ?in
>> such transactions goes back into the dealers' pockets and is ?converted
>> into new inventory, I can only assume that you're singling out ?Steve
>> here again, just like good ole' times, because you've got the ?same
>> cactus lodged up your backside. ?I don't know how or why you've ?got
>> such a beef with Steve, but I'm going to have to implore you, just ?as
>> I did years ago, to TAKE IT OFF LIST.
>>
>> And if you've got a problem ?with Eric's email list -- I've got a yahoo
>> email account, too -- you can ?easily block his email address or mark
>> all of his incoming messages as spam ?with LITERALLY TWO CLICKS OF A
>> MOUSE. ?Since you haven't done that, just ?as you have chosen not to
>> block Steve (and have instead opted to publicly ?attack him...yet
>> again), I can only assume, as I did before, that you enjoy ?berating
>> people in public merely for the amusement of it.
>>
>> Given your ?colorful and patchy history on this list due to prior list
>> infractions, I ?have no reason to believe otherwise.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jason
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 2, ?2011 at 11:09 AM, MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > ?Erics post about his opinion of what was or was not list business was
>>responded
>> > to off list --as he demanded but did not do himself. ?I also ?repeated for
>>the
>> > nth time my desire to be removed from his mailing list ?for ebay
>>auctions..sigh.
>> >
>> > My post about a specific incidence of ?questionable "Ethics". ? In the
>>meteorite
>> > hobby, ethics extends beyond ?"which country allows or doesn't allow
>>meteorite
>> > export". ?When someone ?is potentially breaking a law then it is legitimate
>> > ?discussion--especially when they are so in your face about it and freely
>>posts
>> > the details to the list. ?When someone is posting what most might ?believe to
>>
>>be
>> > personal details (e.g. TMI )then it is also fodder for ?list discussion when
>
>>it
>> > raises the specter of fraud or abuse. ?Under ?that license, I addressed a
>> > questionable activity to ensure that ethics ?were in fact being adhered to.
>> > Seems the enablers don't care truly care ?about ethics-- just situational
>>ethics
>> > and protecting their diseased ?cows at the risk and expense other cow
>>herders.
>> >
>> >
>> > None of ?us wants Steve to "inadvertantly" violate any laws--especially any
>>that
>> > ?would bring discredit to the hobby. I think he was fairly notified that
>>someone
>> > IS looking over his shoulder just in case. ?This is a good thing ?as Martha
>>might
>> > have said during her stint up river.
>> >
>> > ?Elton
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ?----
>> >> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>> >> ?To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> ?Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 1:11:14 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ?tatahouine
>> >>
>> >> Elton, I fail to see how Steve's personal ?life, or business is any of
>> >> yours. ?Nor can I see where your ?borderline libel and inflammatory post
>> >> has any ?place on this ?list.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure anyone here wishes to read it, and ?it's ?an obvious personal
>> >> attack with legal implications. Just ?because you have ?something in your
>> >> craw for Steve doesn't mean ?everyone here on list wants to ?read or hear
>> >> about it. Your post is ?highly unprofessional and perhaps ?illegal unto
>> >> itself. Please take ?personal and legal matters offlist!
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> ?Eric
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 4/2/2011 9:52 AM, MEM ? wrote:
>> >> > (NOTE: waste, fraud , and abuse of public funds is a ?matter of ?public
>> >>interest)
>> >> >
>> >> ?>
>> >> > Steve, ?If you were to ask, I am ?sure some folks here on ?the list would
>> >>"rent"
>> >> > you some ? meteorites-- ?Netflix-style-- you can swap out every 2 weeks
>>and
>> >>save
>> >> ?> all ?the
>> >> >
>> >> > hassle of buying high and ?selling low.
>> >> >
>> >> > ?However I need to ask: are you ?using your unemployment check again to
>> buy
>> >> > meteorites? We both ?know the ?Illinois Department of Labor ?doesn't
> look
>> >>kindly
>> >> > on using
>> >> >
>> >> ?> unemployment funds to ?purchase inventory for ?business-activity--and
>>they
>> >> > consider buying ?and selling
>> >> >
>> >> ?> business-activity whether declared or not. ?In ?fact one isn't eligible
>
>>for
>> >> > unemployment if they run their own business, ?and if it is ?an unlicensed
>> >> > business. ?That gets into the fraud ? arena....again.
>> >> >
>> >> > One may not own/operate a ?"business" while ?drawing unemployment
>> >> > compensation--and...well ?you already know that ?don't you? You may not
> be
>> >>earning
>> >> ?>
>> >> > "wages" but you aren't ?unemployed, if you are buying and ?selling. ?Some
>> >>folks
>> >> > ?have
>> >> ?>
>> >> > the ?the IDOL Fraud Hotline on speed dial. The ?messages ?you post on the
>> >>internet
>> >> >
>> >> > are ? evidence that you ?engage in buying and selling during times of
>> >> ?> ?unemployment.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know the penalty ?of a conviction on this ?but is it really worth
>
>>the
>> >>risk
>> >> ?>
>> >> > and given everything else you ?say is on your plate do you ?really want
> to
>> >>take
>> >> > groceries money to spend ? $350-600 for something you will eventually
> sell
>> > for
>> >> > ?$70-80 out of ?desperation.
>> >> >
>> >> > Elton
>> >> ?>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- ? Original Message ----
>> >> >
>> >> >> From: ?stevearnold<stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
>> >> ?>> ?To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> ?>> ?Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:04:52 AM
>> >> >> Subject: ?[meteorite-list] tatahouine
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Good ?morning list.Anyone have any tatahouine ?available?Say in the 10
>>to
>>
>>20
>> >>gram
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> ?>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ?range ?and could give me a good deal?
>> >> >> ? Steve R.Arnold, ? Chicago!
>> >> >>
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