[meteorite-list] tatahouine

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 11:42:15 -0700
Message-ID: <BANLkTikwCP79WLW5u0A36bT4eZhvYRJVcw_at_mail.gmail.com>

Elton, A few things,

1) This issue is essentially identical to a similar situation from
about a year ago in which a list-member publicly 'called out' another
member on supposed illegal things they'd done. Regardless of the
court's verdict, the person who publicly posted the libel (yes,
"libel," because Chicago Steve has not been determined to be guilty of
anything) was banned from the list. In my opinion, you deserve the
same treatment.

You are publicly accusing Steve of illegal and potentially damaging
things without a shred of proof.

That is libel, and this list should not serve as a means for your
illegal dissemination of unfounded, damaging accusations.

If this list is 'fair,' you should be banned.

2) The issue that you have brought to light in no way has any bearing
on Steve's dealings in meteorites. I know for a fact that taxes are
not paid on many dealer and collector transactions because both cash
and rocks trade hands undeclared. Since I don't see you decrying such
actions as defrauding the government, and since the money saved in
such transactions goes back into the dealers' pockets and is converted
into new inventory, I can only assume that you're singling out Steve
here again, just like good ole' times, because you've got the same
cactus lodged up your backside. I don't know how or why you've got
such a beef with Steve, but I'm going to have to implore you, just as
I did years ago, to TAKE IT OFF LIST.

And if you've got a problem with Eric's email list -- I've got a yahoo
email account, too -- you can easily block his email address or mark
all of his incoming messages as spam with LITERALLY TWO CLICKS OF A
MOUSE. Since you haven't done that, just as you have chosen not to
block Steve (and have instead opted to publicly attack him...yet
again), I can only assume, as I did before, that you enjoy berating
people in public merely for the amusement of it.

Given your colorful and patchy history on this list due to prior list
infractions, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Best,
Jason

On Sat, Apr 2, 2011 at 11:09 AM, MEM <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Erics post about his opinion of what was or was not list business was responded
> to off list --as he demanded but did not do himself. ?I also repeated for the
> nth time my desire to be removed from his mailing list for ebay auctions..sigh.
>
> My post about a specific incidence of questionable "Ethics". ? In the meteorite
> hobby, ethics extends beyond "which country allows or doesn't allow meteorite
> export". ?When someone is potentially breaking a law then it is legitimate
> discussion--especially when they are so in your face about it and freely posts
> the details to the list. ?When someone is posting what most might believe to be
> personal details (e.g. TMI )then it is also fodder for list discussion when it
> raises the specter of fraud or abuse. ?Under that license, I addressed a
> questionable activity to ensure that ethics were in fact being adhered to.
> Seems the enablers don't care truly care about ethics-- just situational ethics
> and protecting their diseased cows at the risk and expense other cow herders.
>
>
> None of us wants Steve to "inadvertantly" violate any laws--especially any that
> would bring discredit to the hobby. I think he was fairly notified that someone
> IS looking over his shoulder just in case. ?This is a good thing as Martha might
> have said during her stint up river.
>
> Elton
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Sent: Sat, April 2, 2011 1:11:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] tatahouine
>>
>> Elton, I fail to see how Steve's personal life, or business is any of
>> yours. ?Nor can I see where your borderline libel and inflammatory post
>> has any ?place on this list.
>>
>> I'm not sure anyone here wishes to read it, and it's ?an obvious personal
>> attack with legal implications. Just because you have ?something in your
>> craw for Steve doesn't mean everyone here on list wants to ?read or hear
>> about it. Your post is highly unprofessional and perhaps ?illegal unto
>> itself. Please take personal and legal matters offlist!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/2/2011 9:52 AM, MEM ?wrote:
>> > (NOTE: waste, fraud , and abuse of public funds is a matter of ?public
>>interest)
>> >
>> >
>> > Steve, ?If you were to ask, I am ?sure some folks here on the list would
>>"rent"
>> > you some ? meteorites-- Netflix-style-- you can swap out every 2 weeks and
>>save
>> > all ?the
>> >
>> > hassle of buying high and selling low.
>> >
>> > ?However I need to ask: are you using your unemployment check again to ?buy
>> > meteorites? We both know the ?Illinois Department of Labor ?doesn't look
>>kindly
>> > on using
>> >
>> > unemployment funds to ?purchase inventory for ?business-activity--and they
>> > consider buying ?and selling
>> >
>> > business-activity whether declared or not. ?In ?fact one isn't eligible for
>> > unemployment if they run their own business, ?and if it is an unlicensed
>> > business. ?That gets into the fraud ?arena....again.
>> >
>> > One may not own/operate a "business" while ?drawing unemployment
>> > compensation--and...well you already know that ?don't you? You may not be
>>earning
>> >
>> > "wages" but you aren't ?unemployed, if you are buying and selling. ?Some
>>folks
>> > ?have
>> >
>> > the ?the IDOL Fraud Hotline on speed dial. The ?messages you post on the
>>internet
>> >
>> > are ?evidence that you ?engage in buying and selling during times of
>> > ?unemployment.
>> >
>> > I don't know the penalty of a conviction on this ?but is it really worth the
>>risk
>> >
>> > and given everything else you ?say is on your plate do you really want to
>>take
>> > groceries money to spend ?$350-600 for something you will eventually sell
> for
>> > $70-80 out of ?desperation.
>> >
>> > Elton
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- ?Original Message ----
>> >
>> >> From: stevearnold<stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>
>> >> ?To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> ?Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:04:52 AM
>> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] tatahouine
>> >>
>> >> Good morning list.Anyone have any tatahouine ?available?Say in the 10 to 20
>>gram
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ?range and could give me a good deal?
>> >> ? Steve R.Arnold, ?Chicago!
>> >>
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