[meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !

From: Shawn Alan <photophlow_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:08:15 -0700 (PDT)
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Greg H and Listers,

I think the first secret about the NWA 5400 meteorite might be to unlock the CRE age, then I think that can support one theory or scratch one theory off and look at the other theories that have been present about NWA 5400.

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[meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !Greg Hupe gmhupe at htn.net
Tue Sep 28 19:30:14 EDT 2010


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Hello Shawn and List,

Shawn wrote:
"Greg H you say that O isotope is the only factor to determine pairing...
your wrong there are other factors with paring meteorites. Some body told me
this........"

Yes, I said that oxygen IS needed to determine a pairing to NWA 5400, as was
explained to me by the lead scientists. My comments have never been about
any other meteorites when referring to the ongoing NWA 5400 pairing saga.

Shawn wrote:
"...I have a dieing question.... What is the CRE of NWA 5400?"

I do not know this answer. Samples of NWA 5400 were shipped to many
different labs around the world where scientists are continuing to unlock
the secrets of this most unique meteorite.

Hope everyone has a great evening, for me, it is time to enjoy a pleasant
meal!

Best regards,
Greg

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From: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !


Mike G and Greg H and Listers,

Mike G great point about how exclusivity is misconstrued with NWAs and
before you know it, you have multiple pairs. Good example, NWA 2999, yeah
there is a lot of pairs with that one and some say that the other pairs
don't me squat and only buy the real deal. So you see that's where the
problem lies with price points and collecting NWA's. I personally from a
collectors stand point only collect some NWAs that I deem fit, Lunars and
Mars and a couple others, but for the most part, I stay away and let the
scientist do their work. But for other meteorites, I go for the historic
ones and rare types with real importance, not ones that have multiple
meteorite from the same parent body but with slight differences in
composition.

Greg H you say that O isotope is the only factor to determine pairing...
your wrong there are other factors with paring meteorites. Some body told me
this........

" O isotopes don't "prove" that one specimen is matched with another. It is
certainly possible that two separate but related meteorites will have very
similar O-isotopic compositions. They also could have similar olivine Fa
compositions, similar refractory lithophile abundances, etc. It is certainly
very suggestive of pairing if the textures, compositions (chemical and
isotopic), and CRE ages match. But more supportive would be the terrestrial
residence ages, i.e., if they fell at around the same time. The best proof
of pairing is if the different samples fit together."

So you see there are other factors involved with pairing and I have a dieing
question.... What is the CRE of NWA 5400? If it came from Earth 4 billion
years ago that you suggested, wouldn't the CRE be around 4 billion years? I
heard that the oldest CRE to this date for a stoney meteorite is around 100
million years. I find it odd that this hasn't been test when this test is
simple compared to other test to prove it might have a connection to Earth.


Shawn Alan
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[meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
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Tue Sep 28 17:20:58 EDT 2010


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Hi Greg and List,

I wasn't trying to take a shot at anyone. But the marketplace has
changed, even in the brief 3 years I have been active on it. There
was a time, not long ago, that the number of stateside dealers who
bought directly from the Moroccan sources could be counted on two
hands - not counting buying from a wholesaler at a show like Tucson.
10 years ago, how many people were wiring money to the Moroccans for
Fed-Ex packages full of meteorites that were destined for resale? I
would wager that it was not very many compared to now. On Facebook
alone, there are no less than 2 dozen overseas and Moroccan dealers
who are selling directly to the end collector. These sellers know
they can get more money for their stones by selling to a newbie dealer
or end collector, than selling to a veteran dealer. I wasn't taking a
shot at NWA 5400 or the Hupes. I think that nowadays, any meteorite
that is offered to one dealer, is going to be offered to several
dealers and collectors - to maximize profit. Our overseas friends are
eager students of capitalism and they are simply applying the same
lessons they have learned after years of watching their stones get
sold for pennies on the dollar and then flipped onto the market of end
collectors for a profit. This is happening more and more now.
Speaking from personal experience, I have now processed (sliced and
polished) a new NWA meteorite from 2 independent Moroccan sources.
Guess what? It's the same meteorite and there is a 3rd dealer
offering this same material. All 3 meteorites are exactly the same
and have 3 different NWA numbers. Of course, I am making a casual
pairing based on handling the material and I cannot say for certain
they are exactly the same without microprobe and/or O-isotope. But
from talking to these dealers, each one had no idea that other dealers
were being offered the same material. Each one thought they were
getting an exclusive deal.

If I am an overseas source, I know I will get more money per gram for
my stones if I sell them to a collector on Facebook versus selling
them to a seasoned dealer like Adam or Greg. Now that this fact is
well known, the genie is out of the bottle. Exclusivity for NWA finds
is dead.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 9/28/10, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:


> Hello Eric and All,



>



> MikeG wrote:



> "So, if NWA 5400 turned up in the Hupe inventory, you can bet your bottom



> dollar that the same meteorite will show up in other dealer inventories



> under a different NWA number(s)."



>



> MikeG obviously made a hip-shot, knee-jerk uninformed comment. Considering



> there are plenty of single stone classifications discovered by



> me, Adam and other people throughtout. At least some people are finally



> discussing that



> in order to make an NWA 5400 pairing, oxygen isotope work MUST be



> completed, period!! This has been my argument from Day 1 when "NWA 5363"

> was



> claimed as a pairing without any oxygen work being performed!



> People need to go back and re-read my very first announcement of NWA 5400,



> and then my first comments about "NWA 5363". As mentioned in my last email



> regarding this thread, I do not feel I need to keep harping on these

> facts.



> I appreciate a few cool heads making these statements on their own,



> refreshing to know a few people still understand the value of patience and



> thorough work!



>



> Best regards,



> Greg



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> From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>



> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>



> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:15 PM



> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !



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>



>> What do you mean, am I reading this right? You assume because 1 person



>> has a piece of a rare meteorite that it's an absolute that more of that



>> meteorite exists?



>>



>> This certainly doesn't take into account single meteorite



>> classifications at all. Are you saying the EVERY NWA ever classified has



>> a pairing? Because that's what this sounds like.



>>



>> Regards,



>> Eric



>>



>>



>> On 9/28/2010 12:36 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:



>>> So, if



>>> NWA 5400 turned up in the Hupe inventory, you can bet your bottom



>>> dollar that the same meteorite will show up in other dealer



>>> inventories under a different NWA number(s).



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