[meteorite-list] Planetary Pairings...Whoops!

From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 18:45:21 -0400
Message-ID: <A88C59113DE645AD81E8D65A438AB7E7_at_greg323a964987>

Martin wrote:

"Shhhht 4472 has 4485 as pair..."

Whoops! My misstake, Martin is absolutley correct, NWA 4485 is paired to NWA
4472...Now I feel like a "KREEP"! lol

GregH

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg
> Hupe
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. September 2010 23:58
> An: Galactic Stone & Ironworks
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
>
> Hi MikeG and List
>
> Your points are well taken. You are correct in that the Internet has
> opened
> up the world for direct communication and sales, not only for meteorites,
> but everything on Earth (and new visitors from space)! That is a good
> thing!
>
> This is not the point of discussion in this thread, but a good subject all
> the same.
>
> Getting back on track...Here are just a couple examples of single-stone
> NWA
> meteorites with zero pairings:
>
> NWA 482 Lunar (its been over 10 years since its discovery)
> NWA 998 Martian (one stone with a few interlocking pieces)
> NWA 1195 Martian (one stone in two pieces)
> NWA 1459 Olivine Diogenite
> skipping ahead a little...
> NWA 4468 Martian
> NWA 4472 Lunar
> NWA 5000 Lunar
> ....and the list goes on, and these are only a couple of single-stone NWA
> classifications we have dealt with. I should have written in my first
> reply,
>
> "...discovered by me, Adam and others throughout [time with the help of
> finders like nomads in the case of some NWA's]."
>
> With all of the different nomads, NWA dealers and foreign hunters in
> Northwest Africa, any 'pairings' would have certainly appeared by now,
> especially considering planetary meteorites where the original finders
> went
> back time and time again without further finds, like in the case of NWA
> 482,
>
> being the oldest in my list above. People complain about "no strewnfield
> information" when it comes to NWA's, but since the NWA finders DO keep
> track
>
> of their find data, they are able to find more of a meteorite, IF there is
> more to be found. I would venture to say that the NWA data will come out
> eventually once the hunters there decide to release it. Sure we may never
> receive this data from some of the NWA finders, but I would hope the more
> responsible people in NWA will encourage their friends to offer up this
> data
>
> eventually, adding to the scientific 'value' of the strewnfield. Time will
> tell...
>
> Best regards,
> Greg
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> To: "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
> Cc: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
>
>
>> Hi Greg and List,
>>
>> I wasn't trying to take a shot at anyone. But the marketplace has
>> changed, even in the brief 3 years I have been active on it. There
>> was a time, not long ago, that the number of stateside dealers who
>> bought directly from the Moroccan sources could be counted on two
>> hands - not counting buying from a wholesaler at a show like Tucson.
>> 10 years ago, how many people were wiring money to the Moroccans for
>> Fed-Ex packages full of meteorites that were destined for resale? I
>> would wager that it was not very many compared to now. On Facebook
>> alone, there are no less than 2 dozen overseas and Moroccan dealers
>> who are selling directly to the end collector. These sellers know
>> they can get more money for their stones by selling to a newbie dealer
>> or end collector, than selling to a veteran dealer. I wasn't taking a
>> shot at NWA 5400 or the Hupes. I think that nowadays, any meteorite
>> that is offered to one dealer, is going to be offered to several
>> dealers and collectors - to maximize profit. Our overseas friends are
>> eager students of capitalism and they are simply applying the same
>> lessons they have learned after years of watching their stones get
>> sold for pennies on the dollar and then flipped onto the market of end
>> collectors for a profit. This is happening more and more now.
>> Speaking from personal experience, I have now processed (sliced and
>> polished) a new NWA meteorite from 2 independent Moroccan sources.
>> Guess what? It's the same meteorite and there is a 3rd dealer
>> offering this same material. All 3 meteorites are exactly the same
>> and have 3 different NWA numbers. Of course, I am making a casual
>> pairing based on handling the material and I cannot say for certain
>> they are exactly the same without microprobe and/or O-isotope. But
>> from talking to these dealers, each one had no idea that other dealers
>> were being offered the same material. Each one thought they were
>> getting an exclusive deal.
>>
>> If I am an overseas source, I know I will get more money per gram for
>> my stones if I sell them to a collector on Facebook versus selling
>> them to a seasoned dealer like Adam or Greg. Now that this fact is
>> well known, the genie is out of the bottle. Exclusivity for NWA finds
>> is dead.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
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>>
>> On 9/28/10, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:
>>> Hello Eric and All,
>>>
>>> MikeG wrote:
>>> "So, if NWA 5400 turned up in the Hupe inventory, you can bet your
>>> bottom
>>> dollar that the same meteorite will show up in other dealer inventories
>>> under a different NWA number(s)."
>>>
>>> MikeG obviously made a hip-shot, knee-jerk uninformed comment.
>>> Considering
>>> there are plenty of single stone classifications discovered by
>>> me, Adam and other people throughtout. At least some people are finally
>>> discussing that
>>> in order to make an NWA 5400 pairing, oxygen isotope work MUST be
>>> completed, period!! This has been my argument from Day 1 when "NWA 5363"
>>> was
>>> claimed as a pairing without any oxygen work being performed!
>>> People need to go back and re-read my very first announcement of NWA
>>> 5400,
>>> and then my first comments about "NWA 5363". As mentioned in my last
>>> email
>>> regarding this thread, I do not feel I need to keep harping on these
>>> facts.
>>> I appreciate a few cool heads making these statements on their own,
>>> refreshing to know a few people still understand the value of patience
>>> and
>>> thorough work!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> ====================
>>> Greg Hupe
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>>> www.LunarRock.com
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>>> ====================
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>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 4:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6292 (BRA) IS paired to NWA 5400 !
>>>
>>>
>>>> What do you mean, am I reading this right? You assume because 1 person
>>>> has a piece of a rare meteorite that it's an absolute that more of that
>>>> meteorite exists?
>>>>
>>>> This certainly doesn't take into account single meteorite
>>>> classifications at all. Are you saying the EVERY NWA ever classified
>>>> has
>>>> a pairing? Because that's what this sounds like.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/28/2010 12:36 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
>>>>> So, if
>>>>> NWA 5400 turned up in the Hupe inventory, you can bet your bottom
>>>>> dollar that the same meteorite will show up in other dealer
>>>>> inventories under a different NWA number(s).
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