[meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite

From: John.L.Cabassi <John_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:05:20 -0700
Message-ID: <000001cb6f08$2cb6a560$a166fea9_at_anitak9bz49jy2>

G'Day Martin, Greg S and list
A little more help

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinosrch.cgi?query=meteorites&results=
50&submit=Search&mask_world=&mask_path=&callback=on&method=auto&meta=%2F
au


Cheers John

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin
Altmann
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 1:44 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite


Hi Greg S.

The laws should be found here:

http://www.austlii.edu.au/


They are named

- Museum Act 1969
- Western Australian Consolidated Acts
- South Australian Museum Act 1976
- South Australian Consolidated Acts
- Meteorites Acts 1973
- Tasmanian Consolidated Legislation
- Meteorites Act 1988
- Northern Territory Consolidated Acts


You know Greg, my first meteorites 30 years ago, were Australian
meteorites. Mundrabillas, then Huckitta, Henbury, Murchison,
Millbillillie and so on.. They were relatively cheap and well available,
because there were no restrictions, or where there were some, the trade
and the hunting was tolerated by the Australian meteoricists (I guess
because they regarded these exotic laws as silly as we do today).

Well, and then I saw the decline of Australian meteoritics during the
decades, o.k. two Euromet expeditions and one from the Schools of Mines
gave three peaks, but that happened long ago, till to the total
breakdown of our years.

Regarding the positive developments and the upswing of the numbers of
newly found and published meteorites in USA, in Sahara and in Oman,

it would be to expect, that Australia today has to have MINIMUM 50 newly
found and published meteorites per year. In reality we had this decade
less than one single one per year.

For what that shall be good and what for advantages such a legislation
has, don't ask me, ask the meteoricists and curators in Australia, it's
their business and responsibility, they must know.

(I don't know, if they prefer to do nothing more with meteorites, then
they at least should let those in peace, who are caring for and are
interested in that matter - that would mean absolutely no harm for them,
aside to store away the free deposit specimens of new meteorites, they
would getting in).

Their addresses you find on the Aussie-museums' pages and in the few
publications about meteorites.


Best!
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Thunder Stone [mailto:stanleygregr at hotmail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2010 21:37
An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite


If he did turn them over to the Government, would he at least get some
king of monetary compensation - like a finders fee.? That way maybe he
would turn them over to the government, get some cash so he can look for
more gold.?
Yes this does show how the government makes a law to try and "preserve"
the antiquities of the country - only to result in many many more
meteorites not being classified and documented for science.

The law needs to be changed - that's all.

Greg S.

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> From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:28:39 +0200
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
>
> Well Jeff and Graham,
> only another sad example.
>
> There is zero incentive for that prospector, to get his finds
> classified,
to
> reveal the data for more searches,
> to bring it to a museum.
>
> He had all the work, he made a great recovery - and the reward would
> be a wet handshake and the expenses for a bus ticket to Perth.
>
> Australia has lost another meteorite, like it lost so many before by
virtue
> of these antiquated laws,
> where it was proven long ago,
> that it is scientifically the wrong method, to regard finders of
meteorites
> as enemies and not as partners.
>
> In most of the other countries of the world, you would have now
> samples of such a find in the labs and in the national and regional
> museums.
>
> In parts of Australia, the laws prevent that.
> Laws which threw Australian meteoritics 150 years back in time. Laws,
> which never were tested to be conform with the constitution, Laws,
> which greatly handicap the scientific work of the universities and
the
> public appointment of the institutes and museums to collect
> meteorites, to preserve meteorites and to enlarge and to diversify the

> collections.
>
>
> Even in desert countries only a small handful of experts occupy
> themselves with that so rare and exotic matter called meteorite:
> Meteoricists, curators, private collectors, private hunters, private
> dealers.
>
> Influence and competence to ensure that the legal conditions are
> given,
that
> a meaningful research on meteorites and that new finds are granted, do

> have only the curators and the meteoricists.
>
> There are only a few in Australia.
>
> To us it's only left, to appeal to their professional ethics, their
> expertise, their liability to the public, which allows to them and
> supports them to do their research, and finally
to
> their reason,
> to care for a modification of the laws,
> that Australia once will be able to turn back again in the circle of
> the great meteorite nations.
>
> It costs no money, it costs insight, will and practical wisdom.
>
> It's up to them.
>
> Don't wait too long.
> Martin
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> Jeff Kuyken
> Gesendet: Montag, 18. Oktober 2010 10:48
> An: e-mail ensoramanda; Meteorites USA
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
>
> I've seen other videos and know of other pieces this gold prospector
> has found. To the best of my knowledge he just keeps them and
> according to his YouTube comments, uses them as a heat bank for his
> heater!
>
> Unfortunately for the finder, he doesn't own any of those pieces he
> found while prospecting either. Under state law they all belong to the

> WA state government so it may just be a matter of time before he gets
> a knock at
the
> door!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "e-mail ensoramanda"
> To: "Meteorites USA"
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite
>
>
> > Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in
> > Australia? ....knowing what the laws are now....have they been
> > handed in for study/classification....or just disappeared
> > mysteriously....anyone know the finder of more about the story?
> >
> > Jeff?
> >
> > They look much younger than Henbury with very nice regmaglypts.
> >
> > Graham, UK
> >
> > On 17 October 2010 18:37, Meteorites USA wrote:
> >> Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a
> >> couple...
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield?
> >>> http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ
> >>>
> >>> Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w
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