[meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron)

From: Mark Ford <mark.ford_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:14:53 +0100
Message-ID: <29A9DB45B84970458190D7D39BD42C49BAD9F3_at_gamma.ssl.atw>

Hi Mike,

No need top apologise, I don't think discussing ways of finding
meteorites is off topic (on a meteorite forum), even if that means
discussing some of the more controversial methods. Even though I don't
personally think it works (yes I have tried it) I certainly think it was
still well worth a discuss.

I guess we go back to bickering and advertising giveaways now..

M.




-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Murray
Sent: 14 October 2010 21:14
To: Chris Peterson
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods
over alarge iron)

Hi Chris, List
I for one, certainly appreciate your opinions. I have a great deal of
respect for your knowledge and abilities. I'm glad you're willing to
share the things you do with the List. I would miss it if you
didn't. If I haven't thanked you before for the things you share, I
will now. Thank you. And I mean that sincerely.

List, hopefully we have reviewed at least my original post about the
use of the rods all we need to. I have had someone contact me who did
not elaborate but their wish was for me to "stop please". I presume
they are wanting fewer emails. I intend to respect that wish at least
on this topic. I don't know exactly where the thread is off to now.
Because I don't think some of what I see now being brought up actually
pertains to my first post exactly. I believe I will have to
relinquish responsibility for the thread at this juncture. I will
apologize now for any headaches the number of emails to this point has
caused anyone. However I must admit, I have enjoyed the discussion
immensely.

Thanks all,

Mike in CO

On Oct 14, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Chris Peterson wrote:

> Actually, new ideas that are RIGHT have generally been accepted
> fairly quickly. It is a myth of the pseudoscientist that so many
> great minds have been considered wrong or crazy, and that the
> establishment has usually been wrong. It is entirely appropriate
> that new ideas be viewed with some skepticism before they are
> accepted, however.
>
> In fact, it is science that tells us very clearly that divining rods
> do not work. This is something that has been put to the test, and
> failed that test. Nobody can actually demonstrate that they work any
> better than random chance. Only a fool would ignore that reality in
> favor of quotes (some of dubious origin).
>
> Divining rods, homeopathy, astrology... all these things are firmly
> in the same category.
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meteorites USA"
<eric at meteoritesusa.com
> >
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining
> rods over a large iron)
>
>
> Chris, I fully support the eviction of superstition from the human
> mind.
> BUT... Non believers and naysayers of radical ideas are typically,
> historically, and statistically, often wrong!
>
> People said the Wright brothers couldn't fly. But they did.
> People said you would die if you went faster than a few tens of MPH.
> They were wrong.
> People disbelieved DaVinci's inventions. But modern science proved
> many
> to be possible.
> People said it wasn't possible to fly to the Moon. Be we did.
> People slammed Tesla, and persecuted him and his free wireless
> electricity. Yet today we know induction charging and energy
> transmission over distance is real.
>
> "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -
> Thomas Edison
>
> "If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're
> right." - Henry Ford
>
> "Don't take counsel of your fears or naysayers." - General Colin
> Powell
>
> "...The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does
> not
> expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is
> like that of the planter - for the future. His duty is to lay the
> foundation for those who are to come, and point the way. He lives and
> labors and hopes...." Nikola Tesla
>
> Thomas Jefferson, with such a great mind on politics and human
> advancement still had problems and could be considered a naysayer when
> he said.
>
> "I would more easily believe that a Yankee professor would lie than
> that
> stones would fall from heaven." - Thomas Jefferson
>
> Closedmindedness is the enemy of progress.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
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