[meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron)

From: Michael Bross <element33_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:02:36 +0200
Message-ID: <45889A60E255448198B54E0F1E8FB532_at_DaDaPC>

Dear Chris...

And how do you explain "scientifically proven..." that you are
living, breathing... and interacting on this forum ?

Come on... read the late article on Newton by New York Times.
I am sure alchemy is on your list with astrology and so on.

Try to stay humble, especially if you are on an observatory !

There are too many charlatans unfortunately... that's also why
someone like Newton was doing his alchemical researches in
a kind of secrecy, to avoid comments like yours.

Darren recently put a link to one of my previous post on the list,
I invite you to read it again.

Btw, I am a certified Engineer in Agronomy, with 5 years studies
on chemicals, biology etc... and many, many years of practicing.

It just happened... that my scholarly certitudes... were brutally
confronted with the empiric knowledge in so called underdeveloped
countries when I was in my late 20s, in Africa, Asia, South America...

You would be surprised to ear, that the major and world known
Agronomical Research Center in France (INRA) called a "healer"
to fix telluric forces which made their horses get nuts on their way
to their pasture, about 20 years ago. It did work, to the pleasure
of the researching team and the horses... :)

But this is just "old grandma" recipes... no ?
BTW, the "magical"... lets say, unknown to the scientists, power
of the "chicken", actually "hen" soup has been proven.

Doesn't that make you/us humble, we "scientists"... ???

There is a main stream science... and another one...

And I definitely like the recent quote from Einstein, that I discovered with
infinite pleasure...

Enjoy ! Cheers !
Michael B.



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From: "Chris Peterson" <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:44 PM
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over
alarge iron)

> Actually, new ideas that are RIGHT have generally been accepted fairly
> quickly. It is a myth of the pseudoscientist that so many great minds have
> been considered wrong or crazy, and that the establishment has usually
> been wrong. It is entirely appropriate that new ideas be viewed with some
> skepticism before they are accepted, however.
>
> In fact, it is science that tells us very clearly that divining rods do
> not work. This is something that has been put to the test, and failed that
> test. Nobody can actually demonstrate that they work any better than
> random chance. Only a fool would ignore that reality in favor of quotes
> (some of dubious origin).
>
> Divining rods, homeopathy, astrology... all these things are firmly in the
> same category.
>
> Chris
>
> *****************************************
> Chris L Peterson
> Cloudbait Observatory
> http://www.cloudbait.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Meteorites USA" <eric at meteoritesusa.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over
> a large iron)
>
>
> Chris, I fully support the eviction of superstition from the human mind.
> BUT... Non believers and naysayers of radical ideas are typically,
> historically, and statistically, often wrong!
>
> People said the Wright brothers couldn't fly. But they did.
> People said you would die if you went faster than a few tens of MPH.
> They were wrong.
> People disbelieved DaVinci's inventions. But modern science proved many
> to be possible.
> People said it wasn't possible to fly to the Moon. Be we did.
> People slammed Tesla, and persecuted him and his free wireless
> electricity. Yet today we know induction charging and energy
> transmission over distance is real.
>
> "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -
> Thomas Edison
>
> "If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're
> right." - Henry Ford
>
> "Don't take counsel of your fears or naysayers." - General Colin Powell
>
> "...The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not
> expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is
> like that of the planter ? for the future. His duty is to lay the
> foundation for those who are to come, and point the way. He lives and
> labors and hopes...." Nikola Tesla
>
> Thomas Jefferson, with such a great mind on politics and human
> advancement still had problems and could be considered a naysayer when
> he said.
>
> "I would more easily believe that a Yankee professor would lie than that
> stones would fall from heaven." - Thomas Jefferson
>
> Closedmindedness is the enemy of progress.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
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