[meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 21:42:37 +0200
Message-ID: <006001cb68b3$4b71b950$e2552bf0$_at_de>

So we quickly come to an agreement.
For selling & dealing meteorites, a highly professional behavior/standard is
a MUST,
no matter whether the offerer is formally an amateur or a professional.

>with but it isn't always the case.

But with meteorites the basket is small and really only once a year or so a
foul apple inside.

One really needs a lot of bad luck, to run in a fake, as a normal collector.

Of course, sometimes the self-cleaning mechanisms of the meteorite community
seem to fail.

(I for my own, personally only, can't understand, how e.g. that person,
about not only Elton recently expressed his displeasure, is still supported
after all that, what happened over the years, by collectors and dealers in
buying from him or selling to him meteorites.)

Best!
Martin

(Starting training to lift 50kg-lumps with mouth open.)

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: bill kies [mailto:parkforestmet at hotmail.com]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 21:31
An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought


Martin,
 
I agree with most of what you said. The difference is, you are trying to
define the professional person. I'm talking about professional behavior. We
would all like to see only positive virtues in those we do business with but
it isn't always the case.
 
A professional used car salesman that uses questionable sales tactics isn't
very professional by my definition but he might be viewed as the consummate
pro by his peers.
 
Best Regards,
Bill
 
 
 

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> From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 20:01:27 +0200
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> >those that provide impeccable service and/or performance.
> &
> >an unconditional guarantee
>
> I would regard that not only as a matter of course, but as the
prerequisite
> for somebody to establish as a professional meteorite dealer at all.
>
> But that you have also with collectors, selling here and there a piece to
> make room in their collection
> or with those collectors frequently selling meteorites to finance their
> collection or their hunting activities
> and most of them wouldn't call themselves "professionals".
>
> In fact, if you remember that there are sometimes some, doing that, who
> explicitly want to be told apart from those, who are in meteorites "only
for
> the money",
> because they feel to be something more elevated,
> but who nevertheless are selling meteorites on a regular base, providing
> these standards,
> - they would insist, not to be called a "professional dealer".
>
> Therefore I think, these criteria alone, don't make yet a professional.
> And certainly there are many collectors, who have the same competence in
the
> field like those, who are called professional dealers.
>
>
> Well and that I listed at length all the safeties and authentication
points,
> happened, because I don't agree with Carl.
> I think, if you pay attention to a very very very few points
> ooooor if you just use simple common sense,
> then collecting and purchasing meteorites is an extremely safe field.
>
> My uncle Alex is still in vacation, he would break it down to the simple
> rule: Know your dealer!
>
> But in fact it's going beyond.
>
> And because there are always new members here on the list,
> I thought it would be o.k. to list all these points, which they can't know
> yet,
> also for David Gunning to see,
>
> that with meteorites the requirements of authentication and safety are
much
> more complicate than with such mass products like flawless diamonds :-)
>
> Best!
> Martin
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: bill kies [mailto:parkforestmet at hotmail.com]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 10. Oktober 2010 19:09
> An: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought
>
>
> Martin said:
>
> "why making it so complicated? What about a more trivial definition?"
>
> Well Martin, thank you for the brief synopsis of Carl's opinion. It sure
> cleared things up in my mind ;)
>
> I tend to view the word, professional, as more of an adjective describing
> those that provide impeccable service and/or performance. That adhere to
the
> highest standards regarding their particular field of endeavor.
>
> A meteorite seller doesn't have to be an expert or a dealer in order to be
> considered professional. And of course, as Carl mentioned, an
unconditional
> guarantee is a must.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> =
>
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