[meteorite-list] Meteors, by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925

From: Shawn Alan <photophlow_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:41:43 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <130525.8276.qm_at_web113601.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Al

Let me re phrase the statement, you didn't say it directly but did say it indirectly by agreeing with Bob. If you don't remember this is something Bob and you posted on the list.

Bob posted
"it's a well-known fact (there have been many studies done on it) that
women


> usually write with a curvier (larger loop) style
than men do. That is what


> Mike was referring to and I completely agree with
him. The signature in


> the book was probably done by a woman...." and you said Al .....

"Hi Bob,



Haven't had time to chime in on this but wanted to. I agree with
your

statements. Especially in regard to Mike Jensen's knowledge on the

subject of meteorite books and signitures."

So right there Al your agreeing with there statements about it being written by a women :) don't you love the internet once you type something it up for life.

The guy that posted the book online signed by Dr LaPaz is also selling a 46g Norton County meteorite fragment from Dr LaPaz estate, and from the sounds of it 46g is a big deal. Also the guy married one of Dr LaPaz's daughters making Dr LaPaz his father in law which he also worked with in the field sometimes.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230447906846&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Thank you
Shawn Alan

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, al mitt <almitt at kconline.com> wrote:

> From: al mitt <almitt at kconline.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925
> To: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 2:15 PM
> Hi Shawn,
>
> I haven't ever suggested that a women wrote the name in the
> book. I simply respect Mike's ability. I don't really know
> who wrote in the book. I simply suggested going to some
> other sources that might verify what you are saying and
> believe ( a couple of signatures to compare to are probably
> not enough). Also someone who is more of an expert in
> handwriting than any of us.
>
> I have a friend who probably has copies of LaPaz's
> handwritting and is careful on his sources and most likely
> could shed light (if any needs to be shedded) Best!
>
> --AL Mitterling
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> To: <almitt at kconline.com>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 3:37 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an
> original copy pubished in 1925
>
>
> ? AL and List,
>
> It looks like you have read the past few post on this topic
> and what we have been discussion. I can concluded that Mike,
> Bob have both stated that the signing of the book that is
> listed on the Internets is signed by a women and not by Dr
> LaPaz. However I have pointed out alot of similarities and
> also stated where the book is from Dr LaPaz estate. To
> finalize this I have over looked something that is very odd
> if a women wrote Dr LaPaz name in his book instead of him
> which, Mike has suggested.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799 at N03/4422192244/
>
>
> Now there is one other thing I noticed about the two
> writing samples
> that I have been over looking. look at the L's from both
> samples, they both are by themselves. The next letter, A is
> also by its self in both samples. Now look at the P's , both
> P's are by themselves. And lastly, the A and Z are connected
> in both samples. Now from those two samples what are the
> odds that Bob, Al, and Mike keep saying that a female wrote
> the second sample would have the same letter patterns being
> connected and not
> connected, and not to mention the other patterns that are
> similar in both hand writing samples?
>
> Lastly, Mikes sample is an autograph and the second sample
> is from Dr LaPaz signing his name in his personal book for
> his Library usage. Those two outcomes will result in
> different styles, but similarities will be present if its
> done by the same person, which there are a few similarities
> which most people can see plus the letter pattern of letters
> being connected and not connected that its done by Dr
> LaPaz.
>
> Shawn Alan
>
>
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> pubished in 1925
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> Hi Shawn,
>
>
>
> One other thing that might be done is to go back and find
> some
> handwritten
>
> papers that Lapaz wrote and compare those as another
> source. There
> has to be
>
> an archive of letters from him, if he didn't type out
> letters or
> have that
>
> done. I know your convienced of the authenticity of the
> book's
> signiture.
>
>
>
> I personally would contact a handwriting expert If I had
> any
> question and
>
> get an opinion there. It would put to rest any questions
> (if you
> have any)
>
> and could be used as a pedigree source to sell the book in
> the
> future.
>
>
>
> I know that there are some fake Nininger signitures in
> books he
> wrote but
>
> that is an attempt for who ever signed them like Nininger
> to get
> more for
>
> the book or books they were selling. I believe Mike has
> commented
> about that
>
> in the past. All my best and this has been an interesting
> discussion
> and I
>
> have learn some things.
>
>
>
> --AL Mitterling
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow
> at yahoo.com>
>
> To: <almitt2
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> peaktopeak.com>
>
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an
> original copy
> pubished
>
> in 1925
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Bob, AL, and Listers :)
>
>
>
> Thank you for your comments on this topic. The book that is
> in
> question has
>
> been posted on the Internet by a gentlemen that married Dr
> LaPaz
> daughter.
>
> He is handling Dr LaPaz estate and in 2001 found over 500g
> of Norton
> County
>
> meteorite in Dr LaPaz basement which 320g was taped by Dr
> LaPaz in
> fear of
>
> the fragment fracturing( I have 3 images that he sent me
> and if
> anyone wants
>
> to see the images I can email them to you if you like).
> Last month I
> had
>
> purchased 2.3s fragment with photo copy's of new paper
> clippings and
> a photo
>
> copy of a hand written letter from Dr LaPaz. Also the
> individual had
> told me
>
> about the book he uploaded to the Internet and from the
> email he
> sent me he
>
> stated Dr LaPaz would sign his name in his book. Signing
> your name
> on
>
> something you own and doing a signature for a book sign are
> two
> different
>
> things. One is lose and the other is tight. Now its funny
> Mike
> hasn't stated
>
> where he got the book from with the signature.The book
>
> that is listed on the Internet is from Dr LaPaz's personal
> library
>
> collection, making that book from the main source. Also
> when you
> look at the
>
> signature and the signing there are a few similarities
> between the
> two. Here
>
> is a link to the signature and the signing by Dr LaPaz.
>
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799 at N03/4422192244/
>
>
>
> Take a look at the 2 L's and take a look at where the L
> curves. At
> each
>
> instance with both L's the curves are similar with their
> curves.
> This can be
>
> further seen with the P's on the top of the P, the arch
> lines up
> perfectly
>
> on the upward angle which that angle is also indicative
> with the L
> angles as
>
> well. When looking at the bottom of the P's they both point
> at an
> inward
>
> angle. Also notice the relation of where the P's start to
> the
> relation of
>
> P's arch. In both P's one can notice that the proportions
> are
> congruent.
>
> Another observation I pointed out that I think is damning
> is look at
> the P
>
> in the left corner and do you notice at the end of the P
> how it
> arches up?
>
> Now take a look at the signature and look at the end of the
> P and
> see the
>
> arches and almost closes cause its a signature.
>
>
>
> Now I would like to move to the A's. In both hand writing
> samples I
> cant pen
>
> point any similarities between the two on how they are
> written in
> style. But
>
> I did notice a pattern between the two on how they're
> written. Now
> take a
>
> look at both A's from the samples. Notice that the A's in
> La are
> different
>
> in respects to the A's in Paz. That pattern is suggestive
> in both
> writing
>
> samples where you see that one A are different to one
> another.
>
>
>
> Lets move on to the Z. This one was a hard one but after
> writing to
> you and
>
> having a nights rests I noticed the shapes are similar. One
> is tight
> and the
>
> other is vary loose. Where the z intersects the distance at
> the
> intersection
>
> point is similar in respects to proportion.
>
>
>
> Now what you two , I mean three are saying, if a women
> wrote in the
> book
>
> that is listed on the internet
>
> http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281414_E7khp
>
>
>
> why are there alot of similarities between the two examples
> of
> writings? I
>
> would find it very odd that there would be any similarities
> at all.
> Now lets
>
> say that the signature is from a book signing that Mike
> personal
> went to and
>
> got the signature from Dr LaPaz, I would feel that Mikes
> signature
> would
>
> validate as a good source and would confirm that the two
> samples
> have
>
> similarities. And if it wasn't signed in front of Mike the
> signature
> as an
>
> example could be in question. But again, Mike is an expert
> in
> historical
>
> books and signatures, so I would have to agree with you Bob
> and Al
> that the
>
> signature Mike provided is by Dr LaPaz. In turn we can take
> that
> example
>
> listed by Mike and compare and it to the signed name by Dr
> LaPaz in
> the
>
> other book see some good similarities in the two writing
> styles.
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
> Shawn Alan
>
>
>
>
>
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> in
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> Hi Bob,
>
>
>
> Haven't had time to chime in on this but wanted to. I agree
> with
> your
>
> statements. Especially in regard to Mike Jensen's knowledge
> on the
>
> subject of meteorite books and signitures. He would be the
> first
> person
>
> I would contact If I wondered about something in a
> meteorite book
> and
>
> is a super knowledgable guy.
>
>
>
> While he was being humble by saying he isn't an absolute
> expert, an
>
> expert is someone who knows more than the typical person on
> a
> subject
>
> and I would say that Mike is an expert as he has been
> dealing in
> books
>
> for a long long time.
>
>
>
> --AL Mitterling
>
>
>
>
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