[meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...what happened to ethics??

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:21:52 -0500
Message-ID: <20100309132152.KEAX3.1046455.imail_at_fed1rmwml28>

Dennis,
I agree with you 100 %. If there were laws prohibiting the collection. However there is not. If you do read all the posts it has already been linked to sites that do define collections of meteorites and they only limit the amount allowed to 250 pounds per year without a special permit. But with that permit more in allowed legally. It merely states that these collections cannot be for commercial gain. This is the gray area. If you sell them then you are in violation. But what if your kids inherit them? What is the status then? This verbiage is as bad as many other laws drafted by the feds. I was once charged with selling duck feathers. They ended up dropping the charges as I proved the stuffed duck was legal because it was an antique
( grand fathered) but under current law it is in fact illegal to sell any migrating bird feathers. Thanks to the migrating bird act.
Yes, you can hunt ducks and eat them but you must discard the feathers and may never sell them. How stupid is that?
Again , it is very gray because these rocks are not meteorites until they are approved by metsoc. true story. An IMCA member is not allowed to state that they are selling meteorites unless they are approved by metsoc. And rightly so because they are not real without the metsoc designation. Or are they???
We can also reduce this to the ridiculous by saying that all rocks came from space. Yes even Earth came from space. Or do we grandfather it in like the duck feathers? So, they are technically just rocks until that happens. By then if you try to put them back they can get you for littering. Can you imagine what the cops would do to you if they caught you littering on public lands?
The now famous Los Angeles meteorites were found by a rock hound. Again a perfectly legal find as a rock under 250 ponds.
Years later it was discovered and recognized as a meteorite. But again until then it was just an interesting rock. So, based on your position all of the dealers of LA mars rocks are out of favor with you? For that matter any and all finds without a permit like Gold Basin on Federal land are all in this same position. All illegal. Looks like your buying days are very limited?
Obviously my only point here is that these laws are really really stupid. My two cents.
Carl

--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- Dennis Beatty <apollocollector at q.com> wrote: 
> I have sporadically read the comments regarding the implementation of  
> new (or newly enforced) BLM rules...and am saddened and disappointed  
> at the overall tone of the responses.  What is it about us and our  
> love of meteorites that gives us the right for personal gain??  As I  
> understand it, any item found on public land belongs to the American  
> people not some lucky individual that happens to stumble across  
> something of value.  I have read several posts where fellow collectors  
> have stated that should they find a meteorite on public land, they  
> will merely "refind" it on private land.  Sheesh!!  I will be going  
> back through this thread much more carefully and if those types  
> comments are tied to any dealers, I will definitely not patronize  
> them.  And were is the IMCA on this??  Isn't ethical dealing one of  
> their mainstays??
> 
> Perhaps I am naive, but I had envisioned our group as seekers of  
> knowledge rather than modern day anti-government, do as I damn well  
> please rustlers.
> 
> Well, there goes two cents...
> 
> Dennis Beatty
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Received on Tue 09 Mar 2010 01:21:52 PM PST