[meteorite-list] Hammer Question

From: Richard Kowalski <damoclid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:01:25 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <273485.75684.qm_at_web113605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey Michael,

Would you please quote my message where I said anything abut one's collecting focus, regarding hammers or any other niche, as "Silly"?

I collect, among other things and in addition to meteorites, coins and currency & Daguerreotypes. I have subsets of collectibles within each group that I focus on; Hard Times Tokens in Numismatics and women and girls wearing off the shoulder dresses in the Daguerreotypes.

I understand the focus of my own collecting and the desires other collectors have in these fields and throughout the wide range of collectibles overlap and diverge. If you want to collect matchbooks, matchbooks from the 1940s, matchbooks from nightclubs in a specific city, I have no problem with that. I understand the desirability of that to that collector and that they can and do find their niche fascinating. I'd never say their collection, or collecting focus is silly. I'd just never say that.

If someone collects hammers, that's great. That's their focus, not mine.

I have said that hammers are not my field. Sorry if that offends you. Matchbooks are not my field either. I can't be bothered by a collector of matchbooks who is offended by that truth, or if that upsets a dealer who trades or specializes in matchbooks. It's simply a statement of fact.

That being said, and my position now reiterated and clarified, I can only suspect that your post was meant for another person, which you erroneously directed to me. I'd request that before you start your next email stating that anyone, especially myself, is self-centered, closed minded, closed-hearted, trapped in a sad little world and attribute quotes to me that were never stated, please take the time to actual read and understand the posts and address the correct person in your response.

It will save a lot of grief and wasted bandwidth for everyone if you do.

Cheers

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081
--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Question
> To: fallingfusion at wi.rr.com, meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com, "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>, "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 2:19 PM
> Hi Richard,
> ? ? ? ? To each his own.
> ? ? ? ? Beauty is in the eye of the
> beholder.
> ? ? ? ? I am not sure why you collect
> meteorites, but for me it is the
> "romance" or "adventure" or wonderment of actually knowing
> about
> Where these extraterrestrial space travelers came from,
> where they
> Hit the earth - the impact they had (physically and
> sociologically -
> And sometimes, anthropologically), etc.
> ? ? ? ? To discount the importance
> another places on any given attribute
> Belies a self centeredness that is unfortunate in that it
> prevents the
> One doing so from understanding others and belies a lack of
> empathy -
> Something most consider desirable attributes in a person.
> To call it
> "silly" betrays a severe lack of respect for others if not
> down right
> hostility.
> ? ? ? ? Sincerely sorry to hear you are
> trapped in such a world. Hope
> The sun rises in your heart.
> ? ? ? ? Best wishes, Michael
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/16/10 1:57 PM, "fallingfusion at wi.rr.com"
> <fallingfusion at wi.rr.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I never understood the importance behind "hammer
> stones". Not only is it a
> > stupid term that any child could come up with, but all
> meteorites have to land
> > somewhere. Its inevitable that once in a while a home,
> vehicle, or other man
> > made object will take a beating from one of these
> visitors.
> > 
> > Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
> > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:01:15
> > To: Richard Kowalski<damoclid at yahoo.com>;
> Meteorite
> > List<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Question
> > 
> > Hi Richard and all.
> >? ? ? ???The definition
> you quote below is THE definition.
> >> "Hammer" - any individual which is part of a
> hammer fall in which one or more
> >> of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or
> human."
> >? ? ? ???(Note: a "hammer
> stone" is the specific stone that struck the
> > artifact, animal or human)
> >? ? ? ???However, it is
> inevitable that some will consider a dirt road an
> > Artifact and some will not. Even a paved road holds no
> interest to me,
> > Though I would not unequivocally state it is not a
> hammer. Howsabout
> > A fruit tree? Since fruit trees (at least the vast
> majority) are
> > 1) all grown on rootstock budded to variety (I used to
> do this for work
> > When I was young) and
> > 2) said varieties almost always represent decades if
> not centuries of
> > Hybridization....
> > Is a meteorite that strikes such a tree a hammer? THAT
> is a
> > Debatable question - the vast majority? (dirt
> roads, paved roads,
> > Etc) have more to do with when the given collector
> wishes to consider
> > It a hammer. It is like, when is a meteorite an
> "oriented meteorite?"
> > If it has very distinct aspects? If it has ANY
> discernable aspects of
> > Orientation at all? (My soon to be released book will
> have hundreds of
> > Photos showing the vast array of different aspects and
> degrees of
> > Said aspects of orientation).
> >? ? ? ???Bottom line is,
> there are just some things that come down to
> > The individual deciding for him/her self. Like when is
> a guy "tall"
> > Or "short?" Or when is a woman "attractive" or a man
> "handsome?"
> > You will get a lot of different answers depending on
> who is describing
> > The attribute. 
> >? ? ? ???No matter how
> specific the definition (and the above definition is
> > Quite specific) you will have varying degrees of
> opinion of what constitutes
> > An artifact.
> >? ? ? ???Best wishes,
> Michael
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 6/16/10 10:33 AM, "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> Being one who only has a very modest interest in
> serious hammers (those
> >> causing damage or hitting a person) the broad
> definition of "hammer" has
> >> bothered me a bit as it seems so inclusive.
> >> 
> >>> From Michael Blood's website:
> >> 
> >> "Hammer" - any individual which is part of a
> hammer fall in which one or more
> >> of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or
> human."
> >> 
> >> 
> >> That would seem to me that anything stuck? by
> a meteorite that is man-made
> >> has
> >> to be considered a hammer, including a dirt road,
> even if Michael has stated
> >> he doesn't consider it. The example of a shed made
> exclusively of tree
> >> branches would too have to be a hammer since the
> shed is an "artifact". The
> >> cow patty? No. Or maybe yes if it has become
> fossilized?
> >> 
> >> It seems to me either a very much large number of
> meteorites need to be
> >> called
> >> hammers, rapidly diluting the "cache" of the
> title, or a very much tighter
> >> definition needs to be developed.
> >> 
> >> Since I'm much more interested in what the
> meteorite is than where it
> >> happened
> >> to land, I have no dog in this fight, but if
> hammers were my area of
> >> collecting, it obvious a much tighter definition
> is desirable.
> >> 
> >> --
> >> Richard Kowalski
> >> Full Moon Photography
> >> IMCA #1081
> >> 
> >> 
> >>? ? ???
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