[meteorite-list] question about olivine diogenites

From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:50:39 -0400
Message-ID: <4C12938F.8070706_at_usgs.gov>

I agree with all of this. The nomcom publishes what it hopes are
authoritative classifications. As "olivine diogenite" became more
widely used, some classifications have gone into the bulletin this way.
Once a peer-reviewed paper comes out and, hopefully, establishes which
meteorites belong in this group, I would change the recommended
classifications in the on-line database accordingly.

The only thing the NomCom does that is "official" is announce the name.
It only "accepts" the descriptions and classifications for publication.

Jeff

On 2010-06-11 3:18 PM, Ted Bunch wrote:
> Simply put, the NOM COM has no self-imposed authority to establish new
> classification nomenclature. Because there is not yet a peer-reviewed paper
> on the issue of olivine-rich diogenites being an "official" designation,
> this classification is not "officially" recognized. A paper is in progress,
> that involves Tony Irving, NAU, and others, that will hopefully resolve the
> matter.
>
> Consider how frustrating the classification mess is when we have attempted
> to classify stones that are>90 vol % olivine, which in terrestrial
> terminology is a dunite, only to have the "official classification" given as
> diogenite. Wrong! The definition of diogenite is "achondritic stony
> meteorite composed essentially of pyroxene minerals". Olivine is not a
> pyroxene.
> We (Prof. Irving and NAU) are addressing this and other classification
> problems.
>
> Have PATIENCE, providing that we live long enough, the problems may be
> resolved.
>
> Ted
>
> IMCA #1110
>
> On 6/11/10 10:27 AM, "Galactic Stone& Ironworks"<meteoritemike at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Kieron and List,
>>
>> I'll take a stab at this one - although I could be wrong, here is my theory -
>>
>> Perhaps "olivine diogenite" is not fully-accepted nomenclature by all
>> scientists and institutions, so maybe it depends on who does the
>> classification and who submits the write-up?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>> On 6/11/10, Kieron Heard<kieron.heard at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your replies chaps but I am still mystified. I accept that NWA
>>> 1459 is another example of an olivine diogenite, but why then is its
>>> recommended classification in the MetBull Database simply 'diogenite' and
>>> not 'diogenite-olivine'?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards, Kieron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Greg Hupe [mailto:gmhupe at htn.net]
>>> Sent: 11 June 2010 17:30
>>> To: Greg Stanley; kieron.heard at ukonline.co.uk;
>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] question about olivine diogenites
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Kieron, GregS and List,
>>>
>>> The first recognized Olivine Diogenite was NWA 1459, then came along NWA
>>> 1877(w/ pairing 5603, and others), then NWA 5480 (and pairings). I am not
>>> familiar with GRA 98108.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Greg
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Greg Stanley"<stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>> To:<kieron.heard at ukonline.co.uk>;<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 12:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] question about olivine diogenites
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> List:
>>>>
>>>> Is not NWA 5480 an olivine diogenite too?
>>>>
>>>> Greg S.
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>> From: kieron.heard at ukonline.co.uk
>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:13:49 +0100
>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] question about olivine diogenites
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if anyone can offer some advice? I am pleased to have obtained a
>>>>> sample of NWA 6149 (prov) - an olivine diogenite. This prompted me to do
>>>>> some research on the MetBull Database, and I see that there are only
>>>>> three
>>>>> meteorites that are classified there as 'olivine diogenites' (MIL 07001,
>>>>> NWA
>>>>> 5603 and NWA 6157). Other stones that have in the past been described as
>>>>> olivine diogenites (such as GRA 98108 and NWA 1459) have recommended
>>>>> classifications of 'diogenite', despite seeming to have a significant
>>>>> olivine content.
>>>>>
>>>>> So my question is, What is the requirement for a meteorite to be recorded
>>>>> in
>>>>> the database as as 'olivine diogenite'?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any information.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Kieron
>>>>>
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