[meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to bephotographedin the USA :)
From: Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:58:52 -0700 Message-ID: <4C48B899D84D4523B0550D09B6FBC2F4_at_Bandli1> The Pasamonte event was a truly remarkable photo, captured by chance. There are two great images of it and the smoke train on the cover of Jim Schwade's Collection Catalog. This isn't the first time the Pasamonte photo topic has come up on the list. There was a good thread on this in June 2003 in the archives. As pointed out then, C.C. Wylie (Pop. Astronomy, 1950) argued against the Pasamonte photo being an actual photo of the fireball itself, but instead, the luminous train. A quote from Marco Langbroek of Dutch Meteor Society citing some of Wylie's work: "The photograph was taken by a ranch foreman. He was inside the house when alerted by a bright flash outside. He picked up his camera, went outside to a spot with clear view, and took the picture. He actually opened the shutter while still walking... Given the sequence related, it is likely that it pictures the bright persistent train rather than the fireball itself." Either way, I think it would be appropriate to simply state that "The Lost City Fireball was the first in the US to be captured by a photographic network resulting in subsequent recovery." By the way, Another remarkable chance set of photos was that of the Kendleton (1939) fireball's luminous train. Perhaps someone has a photo they can post? I have never seen these photos. Have a great day everyone and don't fight! ---------------------------------------------- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorite1 IMCA #5765 ----------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:59 AM To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to bephotographedin the USA :) AL Mitterling :) ? I like how you say I put words in peoples mouths, really? AL I think you might want to examine what you post and practice what you preach before you accuse me of putting words in peoples mouths. See the problem is AL, the thing that I like about science is that we deduce a conclusion through empirical evidence. Now I find it odd that the one photograph that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie in New Mexico in 1933 shows the smoke?tail of the meteor to be warped from atmospheric winds, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.....42..291N??. AL that is?a very strong indication that is an image of the result of the meteor in flight and not an actual image of the meteor in flight due to the smoke tail?warping, empirical science ROKS :) ? AL now you know what I find that is even more odd is that Michael Blood is selling two Lost City meteorites?and if you take a look at one of the meteorite he has on his website :) http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/LostCity2_668RBox.jpg?the ID card that he has with the meteorite clearly states that Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographer in USA. I find that Michael's earlier statement quote un quote....... ? " However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael" ? ...... contradicts what he is selling on his website from his previous post?and clearly shows hes selling Lost City as the first meteorite fall to be photographed in USA. Empirical evidence is grand, have a great day AL :) ? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore: http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p 4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) al mitt almitt at kconline.com Sun Jul 25 08:20:53 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographed in the USA :) Next message: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Greetings Shawn, I like how you always like to twist things around, put words into peoples mouths so you are always right Shawn. The Pasamonte is one remarkable photo of a meteor exploding in flight. It isn't taken after the fact regardless of how you want to twist it. Michael is right. When you post inaccurate comments on this list, some people may thing your right which create the problem of setting it straight in the future. I look forward to your twisting my message around. --AL Mitterling ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com> To: <mlblood at cox.net> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) Hi Michael, Thank you for your insight :) I did some research and found some articles and was able to find an image taken by Mr. Charles M. Brown with his Kodak Brownie . From what I can tell from the image its a photograph of the effect of a meteor in flight showing the smoke tail which can be seen that the image was taken after the fact of the meteor in flight in New Mexico, 1933. Click http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.....42..291N on the link and you can see that the photograph used in the paper shows the meteors smoke tail warping due to winds in the upper atmosphere. That would be an indication that the meteor was out of the frame when the photograph was taken. Also reports said that morning the sky had been covered with clouds in New Mexico. But again I see no evidence of a photograph to show the meteor in the frame like how you can see in Lost City :) Lost City on the other hand is the first meteorite fall to be photographed to actually document the meteor in flight, click on this link and see the difference http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/L/Lost_City_meteorite.html True there has been many meteors photographed but Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight. A meteorite fall cant be a meteorite fall till its found? I can see what your comment means, but from the image I saw that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie that morning shows no indication of the meteor, only the effect of what a meteor does in flight aka smoke tail where one can see the tail warping due to upper atmosphere winds. The first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight is Pribram. I would love to get my hands on that stuff. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaySore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p 4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY Michael Blood mlblood at cox.net Sat Jul 24 21:45:01 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: ORGUEIL, Almahata Sitta(2008TC3), Tagish Lake, LOST CITY meteorites ending on eBay! Next message: [meteorite-list] ad - The Geology of Mars Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Hi Shawn, I am sure it was an oversight, but all your Lost City aeBay ads state it was the first fall to be photographed in the US. However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael On 7/24/10 2:40 PM, "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I have some great rare and historic meteorites ending soon on eBay and > other > great items I would like to feature for the start of the new week. Also, > keep > an eye out for the next few days because Ill be introducing a great > historic meteorite that is a must have for every collector to add to their > collection. > > > ORGUEIL meteorite 9mg, very rare historic fall-1864! HOAX meteorite. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260638585643&ssPageName=S TR > K:MESELX:IT > > > TAGISH LAKE meteorite with fusion crust, rare!!! 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