[meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:31:32 -0400
Message-ID: <20100724183132.YWX2A.161285.imail_at_fed1rmwml33>

Kai,
NWA 5363 is in fact paired with NWA 5400. Neither one of them are brachinites. They are both brachinite -like and are both ungrouped Achondrites.
see link ;

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=nwa+5363&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal%20table&code=49093

please note that it is provisional but Dr. Jambon has publicly stated that they are paired an email through Zelimir Gabelica as seen below.
The following is a copy of this information see below.

 
> > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:47:14 +0200
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > From: Zelimir Gabelica <Zelimir.Gabelica at uha.fr>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] PAIRINGS TO NWA 5400
> >
> > Dear List,
> >
> > I just received a message from Albert Jambon
> > regarding the recently debated issue of NWA 5400 and its possible
> pairings.
> > Albert contacted me (as Ensishim organizer) after
> > several unfruitful attempts and asked me to send
> > this message (below) to the list.
> >
> > I know that forwarding someone else's message
> > does not really meet the meteorite list policy
> > but thought that Albert, who was often cited
> > and/or called in this effervescent discussion,
> > should have the right of answering the concerned
> > protagonists and present his statement about an
> > issue (NWA 4500 pairings) wherein he has been fully involved.
> > I hope the list moderator would allow this post to go.
> >
> > Zelimir
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Now it's enough.
> >
> > I have been out of my office for fieldwork with
> > my students and a friend of mine draw my attention to this mess.
> > Now I am back.
> >
> > Original scientific information does not have to
> > go to the list first but rather to The Nom. Com. and scientific
> publications.
> > Description of NWA 5363 has been submitted since a long time but not yet
> voted.
> > However, the situation is such that it appears
> > better to release some information.
> > NWA 5400 is undoubtedly paired with NWA 5363!
> >
> > I received a sample from Mbarek Ait el Caid in February 2008.
> > I received a second sample from another stone in
> > May of the same year, again from Mbarek.
> > I had additional samples from American collectors as well.
> >
> > Copies of my private mails that were posted on
> > this list are authentic (but not the translation).
> >
> > NWA 5363 was submitted with a TKW of 2455g.
> > The second stone has a TKW of 5530 g.
> > As for the others I just don't know.
> >
> > If you want more scientific information, go to the Met. Bull. database.
> >
> > When you know nothing just keep silent.
> >
> > And now according to Greg's writing :
> > "I welcome any pairings to NWA 5400, the
> > Earth-Related Meteorite! The more the better for all of us."
> >
> > I have been insulted.
> > My Moroccan partners have been insulted too.
> > We all wait for apology.
> >
> > Albert Jambon
> >
> >
> >
Thanks Carl
Carl

--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- kai ke <torontokai at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I am confused by your post. You memtioned that 5363 is 5400 paired.
> But NWA5400 is a brachnite like but not a brachnite due to its
> terrestial osotope. It is a terrestial meteorite or ungrouped. To be a
> brachnite and nwa5400 paired is a contradiction to me. Anyway I cannot
> find the  5363 on meteotitical bulletin.
> 
> Just post my thinking for your consideration.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kai
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Received on Sat 24 Jul 2010 06:31:32 PM PDT