[meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King ofAngrites"for sale -...

From: Starsinthedirt at aol.com <Starsinthedirt_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 00:03:37 EDT
Message-ID: <c04a8.4acbb0a6.397bc019_at_aol.com>

Why are we walking all over the angrite thread? I want to hear more about
NWA 6291 It is a stunning meteorite! Did you read Shawn's very
interesting post proceeded by Sterling's?

As to you two who can not let this other issue rest. Don't do your
victory dance. I think Kirk made my point better than I could of made it myself.

Tom
In a message dated 7/23/2010 9:52:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
geeg48 at msn.com writes:


Yup, the answer here was obvious. I just felt that I would leave it to
someone else to point that out. I get kind of tired of playing the "bad
guy", especially cuz I'm not a bad guy.

Again, with respect,


Greg Lindh



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> From: bandk at chorus.net
> To: Starsinthedirt at aol.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:46:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King
ofAngrites"for sale -...
>
> Vrrrrp----WRONG----Faith is something that one accepts as the TRUTH or
> reality, but they can not PROVE it empirically.
>
> Kirk......:-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King
> ofAngrites"for sale -...
>
>
>> Faith is the action of making your self accept some thing you know not
to
>> be true. Other wise it is just learning.
>>
>> How did we get on this nonsense again?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> In a message dated 7/23/2010 8:22:53 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
>> geeg48 at msn.com writes:
>>
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> I don't want to get drawn into another long debate, but I'd like to make
>> a
>> couple of observations. You wrote:
>>
>> "Funny, I never realized there was "proof" of what faith believes."
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Well Eric, by definition, faith doesn't require proof, but often times
>> matters of faith have quite a bit of evidence (a type of proof) to
support
>> them. I could give examples, but I would be wrong to bring them up on
>> this
>> List, and if I did I would be chastised by most of the members here.
>>
>> In your email, you not only accuse faith of not having any proofs, but
>> you
>> also say that it is only made up of, "conjecture and subjective
>> interpretation of observation."
>>
>> Well Eric, to be honest, I find that much of today's science, and the
>> science of the past, is also made up of much "conjecture and subjective
>> interpretation of observation." It's not supposed to be like this, but
>> much of
>> science has a very religious feel to it. Science is supposed to examine
>> data, evidence and facts, and then follow that data, evidence, facts
>> wherever
>> they may lead. Scientists are supposed to have completely open minds.
>> They
>> are not supposed to have *any agendas*. Unfortunately, all too many
>> scientists do have agendas (presuppositions). They view the evidence
>> through
>> their own biased lenses. They view the evidence through their own type
>> of
>> "faith lense".
>>
>> Mark wrote the following to you, "science has a lot more 'faith' to it
>> than most people realise!"
>>
>> I agree with him, and I think Mark Twain would also agree with him.
>>
>>
>> With respect,
>>
>> Greg Lindh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:00:40 -0700
>>> From: eric at meteoritesusa.com
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King
>> ofAngrites" for sale -...
>>>
>>> Funny, I never realized there was "proof" of what faith believes. Only
>>> conjecture and subjective interpretation of observation.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/23/2010 12:52 AM, Mark Ford wrote:
>>>> Good quote.
>>>>
>>>> I also like:
>>>>
>>>> "Science is almost the same as faith, but just sometimes, once in a
>>>> while, the level of required proof is taken up a notch"
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
GREG
>>>> LINDH
>>>> Sent: 23 July 2010 04:31
>>>> To: gmhupe at htn.net
>>>> Cc: meteorite-list
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King
>>>> ofAngrites" for sale -...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Greg,
>>>>
>>>> I've always loved science, but I do think that some in the scientific
>>>> community tend to stretch things a bit thin sometimes. All kinds of
>>>> theories about all kinds of things are thrown around with little to
>>>> support them. This reminds me of a quote by Mark Twain. The quote
>>>> follows:
>>>>
>>>> "There is something fascinating about science. One gets such
>>>> wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of
>>>> fact."
>>>>
>>>> Something to think about....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg Lindh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: gmhupe at htn.net
>>>>> To: DRose at emersonhosp.org
>>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:51:24 -0400
>>>>> CC: jgrossman at usgs.gov; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King of
>>>>>
>>>> Angrites" for sale -...
>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't 'science' just that, "Science"... Ever evolving as ground truth
>>>>> comes in? Without open minds and hard work by many dedicated
>>>>> individuals, 'science' would not get very far, especially in the
world
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> of meteortitics! Much of the initial work and/or thoughts are
educated
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> suggestions which are meant to excite others in rational and
sometimes
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> heated discussions, no matter what scientific focus is being
>>>>> discussed. I won't even bring up the evolution talks of the past...
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Greg Hupe
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 8:00 AM, "Rose, David MD"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Jeff completely. Same thing happens in Medicine. And
>>>>>> even when the data is peer reviewed, that doesn't mean that it is
>>>>>> rock solid truth. It's a process of continual evaluation and
>>>>>> refinement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-
>>>>>> list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:40 AM
>>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Its official! NWA 6291 "The King of
>>>>>> Angrites" for sale -...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yikes! Abstracts to meetings are not peer reviewed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/21/2010 10:05 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jason and List,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not refute Melinda Hutson's article that was never peer
>>>>>>> reviewed and
>>>>>>> contains several errors according to the classifying scientists. I
>>>>>>> asked
>>>>>>> scientists about the article and they stated, it is obvious that
>>>>>>> she didn't read
>>>>>>> the original peer reviewed abstract carefully, even mistaking the
>>>>>>> type of
>>>>>>> petrology that was discussed using formulas that simply do not
>>>>>>> apply to the
>>>>>>> texture NWA 2999 exhibits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There were several prestigious coauthors listed in the original
>>>>>>> paper; Unique
>>>>>>> Angrite NWA 2999: The Case For Samples From Mercury.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who am I to argue with the world's best? I will keep an open mind
>>>>>>> and hope for
>>>>>>> some ground truth that will hopefully settle it once and for all.
>>>>>>> I think the
>>>>>>> authors were making a point of having an open mind and that the
>>>>>>> subject should
>>>>>>> be debated possibly stimulated more scientific interest in
>>>>>>> Angrites. It took a
>>>>>>> long time to win over the scientific community that some of these
>>>>>>> meteorites
>>>>>>> were actually from Mars. It was debated to death and now nobody
>>>>>>> argues about
>>>>>>> the Shergottite parent body any more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
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