[meteorite-list] Labeling specimens

From: Jeff Kuyken <info_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:50:46 +1100
Message-ID: <E3E59E1C806C40338E9548CCA160CD5D_at_JeffPC>

I would tend to agree with Arnaud and I don't think everyone painting their
own numbers is a good idea... at all!

It would seem that identity is the driving factor here and the only way it
would work is if there was a standard system. You would only need one common
number for each meteorite. So say the number for Kilabo (LL6) is 12307.
Anyone who needed to adopt a numbering system on their meteorites could just
have 12307 painted on. You don't need anything else. Weights, descriptions,
features, etc, etc are all secondary and can still be maintained in a
database. But if that is lost, those details can still be determined by
anyone at a later date... at least the meteorite is still identified. Who
does the numbering system? The Meteoritical Society. They already sort of do
in their online database. I'm sure something official could be implemented
if something like this was needed.

FYI: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=12307

Cheers,

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
To: "The Tricottet Collection" <tricottetcoll at live.com>; "Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens


> Hello Arnaud, All,
> I agree with you - to an extent.
> While we have inked many of our specimens, we have never sold a single
> meteorite (and the few we've traded were never marked).
> With so many collectors buying, selling, and trading collection
> pieces, I can easily visualize the numbering situation getting far out
> of control.
>
> But...an issue still remains.
>
> I can easily remember the 174 gram stone that was on ebay no more than
> a few months back - that was from a witnessed fall in Northwest
> Africa, but that didn't have a name because the buyer (and his
> supplier - I asked) had forgotten its name. If the collector who had
> originally purchased said meteorite had numbered it and kept his
> records straight, that individual wouldn't have lost its identity. It
> is now a "fresh unclassified NWA stone."
> At least, that's what it sold as on ebay....
>
> So...there's something of a dilemma. Yes, stones shouldn't me
> overmarked. But we have the opportunity to ensure that stones will
> not be misnamed or misplaced.
> And that's where the judgement call must happen; people shouldn't
> inherently mark their meteorites with collection numbers, because,
> well, it can't be undone. But at the same time, people know how well
> they keep track of things; if they know that they're that
> disorganized, perhaps they should go and draw on their meteorites. If
> it's the only way they can be sure of keeping track of their
> collection with 110% certainty, I would say that they should go ahead
> and do it.
>
> I've seen more than one meteorite go miscataloged and lose its
> identity; it was enough for me to say that the person who allowed it
> to happen was grossly negligent, and didn't have the *right* to curate
> such scientifically important items.
> After all, when all we are is a temporary steward to a rock that's
> held its identity for more than four and a half billion years, who are
> we to misplace its label and effectively erase its terrestrial
> history.
>
> Hence my two-mindedness. I think that, yes, if everyone numbers their
> meteorites, there will be problems - unless, of course, there is a
> universal system off of which numbers can be derived.
> But that's not going to happen.
> And at the same time, I think that our current system of doing things
> is inadequate; meteorites are being honestly misnamed and misplaced in
> such a way that they lose their identities.
> That simply shouldn't happen. Ever. We have brains that are more
> than capable of ensuring that it doesn't happen, so the fact that it
> does only goes to show that keeping such things straight simply isn't
> a priority.
>
> So...I would advocate having meteorites with multiple numbers on them.
> I'd rather have a meteorite with a known identity - with three
> numbers on it - than a meteorite with no identity and no numbers on
> it. Hell, I'd rather have ten meteorites with five numbers on them
> than a thirty meteorites without names.
> Or a hundred. After all, they'd be completely worthless.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> Jason
>
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>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 1:51 AM, The Tricottet Collection
> <tricottetcoll at live.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to disagree with everyone here. If we all start painting
>> numbers on meteorites, in 2-3 generations, all specimens will be full of
>> useless graffiti - who will know which number matches which "minor"
>> collection? So the problem would remain exactly the same. When I say
>> "minor", I mean not a lot of people have a collection which can be
>> compared to a Nininger, Monnig or any national museum collection! And
>> with time, with more maturity, what if you find your inventory numbering
>> system inefficient, what if you decide to change it?
>>
>> Personally I will never paint anything on my collection specimens. I
>> prefer to take 1 or more pictures per specimen + weight + other important
>> characteristics, label them and keep then in different boxes.
>>
>> Just my opinion,
>>
>> Best,
>> Arnaud
>>
>>
>>
>> The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens
>> (Minerals, Fossils & Meteorites)
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>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:52:34 +0000
>>> From: msgmeteorites at googlemail.com
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens
>>>
>>> Hi Ed, Svend, Jason, all,
>>>
>>> Very good points indeed and interesting reading. Theres a lot to chew
>>> over there but looks like i may be taking the plunge and starting the
>>> process at some point.
>>>
>>> Thanks very much for all your considered and informative replies
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Martin
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