[meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites

From: bill kies <parkforestmet_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 03:49:52 -0600
Message-ID: <SNT102-W593166E7F376CA932BCA0FA2450_at_phx.gbl>

Good ole schizophrenia. How do you deal with it when it comes knocking? What do you say to a madman that insists he has a meteorite or tektite in hand when he's staring you in the eye at your front door raging in your face?
 
It's very uncomfortable having to tell someone with a dozen pieces of plastic they found in their field after seeing lights drop them there, that they are only parts of old toys, even when you show them the identical rubber tractor toy wheels on a toy in your collection, from the 50's that must have washed out of a small garbage dump... gasp...
 
After all the cards and flyers I've circulated they all know where I live so I must invite them in. The price we pay for science :)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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> From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net
> To: carothersdl at gmail.com; magellon.ken at gmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:09:28 -0600
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites
>
> Hi, All,
>
> The ultimate in this kind of crazy thinking is the case of
> Randolph Kirkpatrick. He was the assistant keeper of lower
> invertebrates at the British Natural History Museum from
> 1886 until his retirement in 1927 and made several valid
> scientific discoveries. However, he had one immensely
> crazy notion.
>
> In 1912, he published a book entitled "The Nummulosphere"
> which put forward the theory that the entire Earth was formed
> from the accumulation of the calcium shells of forams, like
> the Nummulites, small creatures like the ones he'd spent a
> lifetime studying.
>
> He believed everything geological -- basalts, red seafloor clays,
> marble, granites, mountains -- everything was formed from
> these little one-celled shelled organisms. It's crazy enough to
> think the entire Earth was made out of them, but even better,
> he apparently believed that the Earth GREW from a beginning
> speck of water and nummulites into the planet of today, built
> by the nummulites the way corals build a reef.
>
> Russell T. Wing, like Randolph Kirkpatrick, has one immensely
> crazy idea. The key word there is ONE. What we have here are
> monomaniacs. They do not "tenuously believe" their crazy notion.
> For them, it is a burning luminous concept that commands belief.
>
> Monomaniacs are so obsessed with their one idea that it
> overpowers every other thought and corrupts their judgment
> until they believe it explains everything. I have no doubt that
> if Wing got worse and worse, he would end up believing that the
> Earth was made of accumulated Wingstars just as Kirkpatrick
> believed the Earth was made of accumulated Nummulites!
>
> PS: I haven't read Russell Wing, so I don't know that he doesn't
> already think that. If the Earth is covered with a huge number
> of fresh Wingstars (like in his garden), why not? What better
> explanation? The Earth is just a self-gravitating sphere of
> accumulating Wingstars -- a Wingstarosphere! Someone should
> suggest it to him. Would it be fun to push him over the edge?
> Assuming he's not already there, that is.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> You can read about Kirkpatrick here:
> http://books.google.com/books?id=ddpCtPz8D78C&pg=PA139&dq=NUMMULOSPHERE&ei=e2p_S6XMIKHWNJ3WzOcP&cd=5#v=onepage&q=NUMMULOSPHERE&f=false
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dave carothers"
> To: "Ken Newton" ;
>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites
>
>
>> Ken
>>
>> You ask: "Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the
>> owner's rock HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert
>> contacted has told them differently. I just don't understand the
>> thinking but I want
>> to."
>>
>> I can only reply that people who think like this have rocks in their
>> heads.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken Newton"
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites
>>
>>
>>>>Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites!
>>>
>>> I seem to encounter misguided individuals who tenuously believe such
>>> dribble on regular basis. Russell T Wing is the exemplar of
>>> meteorwrong 'wingnuts' just as Harvey Nininger is to meteorite
>>> enthusiasts. Here is an example from Wing's book:"This entire
>>> experience seemed incredible and unbelievable. How could a small
>>> collection of stones - not over 100 - and over half of them picked up
>>> out of my rock garden in 1969, produce 25 earth-type quartz
>>> meteorites
>>> when never before had a quartz meteorite been known! ... But in this
>>> investigation, the unthinkable thing seems to be the common thing.
>>> And
>>> again, after thinking things over, my unbelievable collection of
>>> quartz meteorites needed to balance it off; they simply could not be
>>> alone. There must also be many other kinds of meteorites here if my
>>> quartz ones were authentic."
>>>
>>> And Wing goes on to 'discover' 'authentic' meteoritic petrified wood
>>> and meteoritic fossils, etc. The wingstars were everywhere! All you
>>> have to do is look! Yikes!
>>>
>>> Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the owner's rock
>>> HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert contacted
>>> has
>>> told them differently. I just don't understand the thinking but I
>>> want
>>> to.
>>>
>>> kn
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM, James Balister
>>> wrote:
>>>> On the meteorite men Jeff and Steve showed a meteorite that was non
>>>> magnetic and seemed to have no iron at all. Anyone know if it had
>>>> nickel in it? How did they determin it was a meteorite? Has anyone
>>>> ever heard of wingstars? Could that stone be a wingstar? Wingstars
>>>> have always interested me because they are oriented and look just
>>>> like a meteorite but lack ni/fe. Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually
>>>> were meteorites!
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