[meteorite-list] Arizona firearms.

From: Mark Grossman <markig_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:58:03 -0500
Message-ID: <6A433A16C4234DD7BE5BF9478F1F4875_at_QED>

Hi Al,

I haven't tried to put anyone in a bad spot, and I haven't tried to act like
a moderator. If you remember, I asked for some guidance from the moderator,
who has still remained silent on this issue.

And as far as what belongs on this list, and what does not - I believe there
are incredible things said on this list that are tolerated, but for some
reasons, my comments which I believe are right on target and which do not
even come close to some of the language displayed here in the past, is not
tolerated. In my opinion, there is a double standard here.

So I will make it easier for everyone. I think it is time that I take a
vacation from this list - I am going to unsubscribe. (I can hear the
hoorays already :-). I don't want to be a thorn in anyone's side anymore,
nor do I want some of the posts to distract me from what a wonderful hobby
meteorite collecting is. I unsubscribed for a short while back at Christmas
time, when I thought some of the language on some of the posts was pretty
abusive and not keeping in the spirit of the season. I came back, but
didn't think things would reach the point they have in such a short time.
The delete key only works so far for me - ultimately, for me at least, and I
am willing to bet for some others as well, it leads to an unsubscribe.

And if you want to see why I got into meteorite collecting and what it means
to me, take a look at Notes & Records of the Royal Society, Sept/Oct 2007 -
that's the peered reviewed scholarly journal of the Royal Society - I had a
paper involving the history of meteorites published in that issue. I
mentioned this to the list back when, and if I recall, only received one
response off line. And I have another paper involving the history of
meteorites presently in submission and under peer review with another
scholarly journal on the history of science.

If anyone would like to learn if and when that second article is published,
you can send me an email to my private email address. I think it is kind of
a neat article.

Thanks to the handful of dealers of whom I have learned so much, and who
helped me build a small but impressive historical collection, and thanks to
the handful of members who have been most helpful to me in the past in
answering so many of my questions.

I hope everyone is successful at Tuscon and obtains the specimens - as well
as the knowledge - they desire.

And I do hope that everyone is satisfied, or will eventually be satisfied,
with how the list evolves in the future.

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "al mitt" <almitt at kconline.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms.


> Mark,
>
> I'd just rather not comment on this but since you have attempted to put
> Martin and me in the bad guy spot, and words into my mouth I'll comment. I
> am commenting for myself and not Martin.
>
> First you have made 4 or 5 posts on this subject, mainly trying to end the
> debate. I have only made two (one by mistake) comments until this post,
> supporting a post by another member. While I respect some of what you are
> saying about letting the topic die, and I believe this had no place on
> this list (there are plenty of other forums for this) there is nothing
> wrong with addressing what another member commented needlessly and out of
> place on. If this member had simply kept it to himself, then the issue
> would not still be blazing away.
>
> You seem to have attempted to put yourself into some sort of authoritative
> figure here and put words into my mouth and I don't appreciate that. I
> don't appreciate the condescending way you went about it. You again have
> posted on the subject rather than let it die. So you are equally guilty of
> keeping this thread alive. Again if you don't like reading something then
> delete it.
>
> You have also put yourself in the roll of list moderator which you are
> not. While I appreciate that you don't care for the thread I'd appreciate
> it if you don't drag me into to all this which you did. Now maybe we can
> get back to meteorites and all this can die.
>
> --AL Mitterling
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Grossman" <markig at westnet.com>
> To: "al mitt" <almitt at kconline.com>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms.
>
>
>> Right now its not a question of who wants to listen to what, or who
>> opened what, but how just how long both sides want to listen to this
>> continuing, apparently never ending debate.
>>
>> I assume Martin and Al believe this topic has not been discussed
>> sufficiently based on their posts.
>>
>> Martin and Al - can you please confirm to the list that my assumption is
>> correct, and after all of the debate, you still actively welcome postings
>> on this topic - from emininent scientists as well as unknown collectors -
>> and that you don't want to see this "can of worms" closed.
>>
>> If I am mistaken, and you would like to see "the can of worms" closed,
>> then please let the list know.
>>
>> And if you think using the delete key is always the answer for whoever
>> posts what, in my opinion you are missing the forest for the trees. At
>> some point you simply drive away people, and you end up the same group,
>> not wanting or welcoming new people, the status quo.
>>
>> And at the end of the day - perhaps that's just what most of the people
>> who post to the list want - exercise using the delete key over expanding
>> and promoting the image of the meteorite list around the world.
>>
>> Your choice.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mark Grossman
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "al mitt" <almitt at kconline.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona firearms.
>>
>>
>>> Hi Martin and all,
>>>
>>> I agree Martin. People can use there delete keys. One side wants to
>>> complain but then doesn't want to listen after opening up a can of
>>> worms. Best!
>>>
>>> --AL Mitterling
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dark Matter"
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> If Dr. Moore wants to share anything with this list, please let's all
>>>> consider it an honor to be in his virtual presence regardless of the
>>>> topic.
>>>>
>>>> thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>
>
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