[meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite

From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 22:17:02 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <411717.30108.qm_at_web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

But at the same point and time, who was liable for payment for the damage caused? Should they not be the ones to keep the material that caused the damage as they had to pay for the repair, they should keep what did it.
The woman who was hit by the meteorite did not have the legal right to keep it, if I recall correctly, it was also a fall and not a find.
"The soil" has been shown many times over to include what is ON the soil and often under it (unless you live in states that only allow you ownership to a certain depth and no mineral/mining rights)

Greg Catterton
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--- On Sat, 2/6/10, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:

> From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
> To: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>, "meteoritelist" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:57 AM
> Jeff,
> As always you say the right thing but I would like to see
> this litigated in this case due to the fact that these
> Doctors were in legal possession of the real estate and this
> is a Fall and not a find. These laws only mention finds and
> our hobby thinks there is a difference. As I asked before.
> This landed inside not on the dirt so it is not part of the
> soil which is very specifically stated in the law. It says
> the meteorite becomes part of the soil it was found in. Well
> this did not end up in soil. It ended up sitting on legally
> rented property. What if it hit a car and landed in the
> trunk of the car? Falls need laws if for no other reason
> than to help buyers such as the Smithsonian make an informed
> buying decision.
>
> Here is an interesting article.
>
> http://brightcoast.wordpress.com/2010/02/05/meteorite-law-are-tenants-lost-in-space/
>
> And yet another link here shows the actual law as written
> in an abstract;
>
> http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?bibcode=2002M%26PSB..37....5S&db_key=AST&page_ind=3&data_type=GIF&type=SCREEN_VIEW&classic=YES
>
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> Meteoritemax
>
>
> ---- Jeff Grossman <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
> wrote:
> > I'm puzzled by why so many of you seem to think the
> Smithsonian is
> > playing such an active role in this. First of all, the
> meteorite was
> > brought to them for identification; the SI did not
> make some kind of
> > power play to get it.? And there is no indication
> that they are making a
> > power play to keep it.? From talking to their
> people right after the
> > fall and when I visited this week, it's clear that
> they would be pleased
> > if the meteorite ended up in the National Meteorite
> Collection.? But I
> > have not seen or read any evidence that they are in
> any way fighting to
> > prevent others from getting it back, legally or
> politically.???People
> > should just relax and wait to see how this plays out
> before jumping to
> > conclusions.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > On 2010-02-05 9:39 PM, Phil Whitmer wrote:
> > > Hiya Carl, gun lovers and haters:
> > >
> > > I was merely stating the law as it now stands. If
> a meteorite falls on
> > > your property, you own it.? An open and shut
> case.? If the Smithsonian
> > > wants to appeal to the Supreme Court, the Court
> could possibly rule
> > > that current meteorite laws are unconstitutional.
> It's extremely
> > > unlikely they would hear the case. It's highly
> unlikely even a Circuit
> > > judge would strike down current meteorite laws as
> unconstitutional. Or
> > > any judge for that matter. The Smithsonian has
> the lawyers and the
> > > funding of the federal gov't backing them, they
> could try to argue the
> > > laws are unconstitutional, highly unlikely as
> there is practically no
> > > chance they would win.
> > >
> > > What they could do is go straight to the
> President and get either a
> > > presidential decree or have the Justice
> Dep't? write some memos like
> > > they did legalizing torture. Again not a chance.
> > >
> > > More likely they could get a Congressman to
> introduce a bill changing
> > > the meteorite laws, but it would never make it
> out of the first round
> > > of sub-committes.
> > >
> > > Possession? might be nine tenths of the law,
> but I'll be dollars to
> > > donuts the Smithsonian gives it back.
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil Whitmer
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