[meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's rock'

From: Bob Loeffler <bobl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:31:42 -0700
Message-ID: <20100205033144.B13D710533_at_mailwash5.pair.com>

Hi Carl,

> I hate the fact that the Gov. gets to claim treasures found on fed.
> land. The fed. land belongs to all of us. Gold basin material found
> on Fed. land all went to the smithsonian.

If you don't want the Fed Gov to get the treasures that are found on Fed
land, who should get them? Even you said that the treasures "belong to all
of us", but if you find something and take it home (and either keep it or
sell it), the rest of us don't get to share in the ownership or joy of what
you found. So then that is not fair because it should belong to all of us,
right? So, the Gov puts the treasure in a museum so all of us can see it.
All of the people now have a partial ownership/interest in it, not just one
or two people.

BTW, I don't work for the Gov. and didn't get paid by anyone to say
anything. :-) This is just what I think this law is trying to do. I could
be wrong.

Regards,

Bob



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To: Adam; George Blahun Jr
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lorton meteorite should be 'the people's
rock'

George.
Just one moment here. What if the rightful owner of the glasses never claims

them? you have no idea who left them. Could have been a visitor asking for
directions. Who owns them? The landlord??? Nobody is not the right answer
here.
Also, Nobody wants your tree but the key is that it is yours!
What if you are leasing the tree in a business that sells the fruit? Who is
responsible then? The owner of the tree or you because you are in legal
control
of it. Just asking.
In the case of the contractor. Well, he did discover the treasure inside the

wall. What most would have done is haul it off into the truck as he was
contracted to do and never mention it ( haul away the debris) . What he did
do
is tell the home owner and she wanted all of it. This case ended in all of
her
relatives learning of it and the sum was divided many ways between all of
them.
She got greedy and lost more than she gained . I love this case because
greed
did not prevail. Her greed cost her mucho dineros . As a side note the
contractor did the right thing but it came down to. "No good deed goes
unpunished". As much as I hate to say that.
 I was an Architect/contractor and I know most of my subs would have simply
hauled away the envelope with the rest of the debris, medicine cabinet and
all.
Plus she was lucky the envelope had her relatives name on it because it
might
have belonged to a previous home owner. all of this played out in court.
which
is why I want to see this in court.
I hate the fact that the Gov. gets to claim treasures found on fed. land.
The
fed. land belongs to all of us. Gold basin material found on Fed. land all
went
to the smithsonian. That is why the strewn field looks so bottom heavy. Take

care and thank you.. Carl

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Carl or Debbie Esparza 
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Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- George Blahun Jr <ks1u at att.net> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Carl:
>     Hello and thanks for your comments and point of view.  I actually
didn't intend for this to be taken as cut and  dry.  I do come down on the
side of the land owners, but my reference to the EM Spectrum implies that
there is always another point of view.  If you were unfortunate enough to be
hit by a meteorite on someone else's property, I believe you'd be entitled
to damages for your injury and pain and suffering.   If you were walking on
my property here in CT and one of my black walnut trees fell on you, you
could (and should) file a claim against my home owners policy, but I don't
think you'd get to keep the black walnut tree which is probably  worth about
10K for the wood.  
>      In your example of the dollar bill, a fairly insignificant amount if
you can afford to see a doctor, the dollar probably goes to the finder.  But
if you drop your Maui Jim sunglasses there, you still have the right to them
and neither the finder nor the doctor nor the landlord owns them.  Of course
most communities have a procedure for claiming a lost and found, unlike a
space rock.  This series of events changes if the object which hits you is
from a military satellite.   They'd deny any responsibility but want it back
anyhow. 
> 
>     There was a court case recently where a contractor was removing a wall
in a house and found a bunch of money which had been hidden in there for
decades.  The contractor tried to claim it using the old legal defense of
"finders keepers losers weepers"  but the courts said, no.  
>     I guess we all have a slight bias when interpreting the law and what
constitutes ownership.  This no doubt determines which side of this issue we
each come down on.
> 
> George
> 
> 
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