[meteorite-list] Firearms related posts on a meteorite list

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 13:44:18 -0800
Message-ID: <93aaac891002041344ge1b243bxfae684f7ce12a57f_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mike, Robert, All,

> Mike G. I would like to point out that Michael Johnson has has made a
> huge impact on this community, he tries his best to represent people
> that are from all walks of life in the meteorite world, for you to
> target him as using "poor judgement" is insulting, that is just YOUR
> opinion, not fact as stated by you.

And he's fully entitled to that opinion. And sometimes people who are
in positions of power and who have done good things make mistakes. It
happens. Happened.

> I am not your "son" and please
> correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall seeing you at any state
> shoots, ranges, or having read your scores, or article's in any
> firearms publications. Are you a gunsmith? Did you ever shoot
> professionally? Do you have a piece of paper on the wall that says you
> know what you are talking about?

It doesn't take firing a gun, making a gun, or being trained to use a
gun to know more about statistics and what they say about
gun ownership. That's like saying a pyro should be well-versed in
fire safety and know that starting fires is dangerous, and probably
shouldn't be done.

> You say that it is ?incorrect to
> state that "it is people, not guns that kill" Show me one case of a
> firearm autonomously 'jumping up and killing someone'. A person is
> involved 100% percent of the time.

And a gun is involved in 100% of firearm deaths. And there are a lot
of those.

> toting around grandpa's squirrel
> gun, and telling stories at your local bar does not mean you know
> it all, but it is a good indicator of your mindset. Robert.

Sorry, I'm late for the lesbian tree-hugger benefit. Gotta get there
before the sun goes down.

Jason

> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Robert and List,
>>
>> Ok everyone, this is getting tiresome.
>>
>> We are all overlooking the obvious - it was poor judgement on Michael
>> Johnson's part to post that photo. ?Period. ?Regardless of one's views
>> on guns, this List is global and that photo was bound to stir up
>> trouble - it doesn't take a psychic or mind reader to know that.
>> Posting that photo was essentially a troll - perhaps not intentional,
>> but the effect was the same.
>>
>> It should be common sense not to post controversial material on a public list.
>>
>> You say you are a "expert in the gun field" - Listen son, I was toting
>> around guns before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye. ?There is
>> nothing you can tell me about guns that I don't already know and I
>> have forgotten more about guns than you will ever hope to know. ?So go
>> take your passionate "it's people not guns that kill" defense and call
>> it in to your favorite right-wing AM-radio talk show - I'm sure you'll
>> have a eager audience of Rush Limbaugh fans to agree with you.
>>
>> This is not a matter of pushing delete when you see something you
>> don't like - it's called "ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY" - not
>> "POINTING GUNS AT METEORITE PEOPLE PICTURE OF THE DAY". ?Can you not
>> see that the photo could have been completely unexpected to many and
>> they were caught off-guard by it?
>>
>> It was fine to stage to photo, it was perfectly good to have fun, it
>> was fine to share the photo with friends. ?It was poor judgement to
>> post that photo to the Meteorite List.
>>
>> Now excuse me, I have to go host a benefit for retired lesbian tree
>> huggers at my solar-energy-powered gay bar.
>>
>> Best regards and happy hunting,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>>
>> On 2/3/10, Robert Ward <ironfromthesky.com at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I spent three years training at the finest firearms institution on the
>>> planet learning about every aspect of the industry, and even designing
>>> and manufacturing my own firearms models, I am an expert in the field,
>>> and I assure you they are not "killing tools" and "assault rifles"
>>> when they leave the factory. They are pieces of metal and plastic,
>>> People do the killing, guns are inanimate objects. So Mr. G, I have
>>> been involved with firearms my entire life, ask my friends if they
>>> think I am a morbid person. You say we should not offend our European
>>> friends with our rights and traditions? Growing up I spent my summers
>>> in Africa, and I saw things that offended my that are far to morbid to
>>> mention here, I did not offend them by sharing my thoughts of these
>>> customs, I looked the other way and left, if that pic offends you push
>>> delete. I noticed a post that mentioned a statistic from the FBI
>>> website, 9,369 firearms related murders in the U.S. in 2002, another
>>> statistic to compare this to is the great genocide in Rwanda, 800,000
>>> murdered with machete's. I assure you, in the right hands some sharp
>>> Chinga, or Seymchan slices that are for sale in several rooms in
>>> Tucson could dispatch one's life just as fast as a firearm. Peter
>>> Davidson, those who know me would probably agree that I am someone
>>> that could be pigeon holed into some Hick-Redneck category, Peter, I
>>> am not offended by your prejudice, I am proud of my heritage growing
>>> up on farms and ranches, oh yeah, I am a NRA life member too. I trust
>>> that all of you that are so offended by this pic do not subscribe to
>>> cable, or satellite television services, nor do you attend movies with
>>> "morbid guns" in them. Grow up, just click delete, and spend this much
>>> time finding some useful input for the METEORITE LIST. Maybe I will
>>> post a pic of my cats high up on one of my collection pieces so the
>>> PETA people can have there turn. Robert Ward
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>>
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