[meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices (Was:Spectacular Tektite on eBay)

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:31:11 -0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTikL_19A99UeMKE-P+GNh9KEn670Acs+LvOHbf_m_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hello Stuart,
Well, we don't find meteorites accosicated with craters very often,
for a number of reasons. First and foremost is that most of the
craters found in the past have been pretty old - on the order of
millions of years.
Wolf Creek is one of the older craters that we know of where meteoric
material can be found, and that's pushing it at about 300,000 years.
Hell, just look at the condition of most Wolf Creek "meteorites" --
they're shale balls through and through.
Australasian tektites, on the other hand, are "750,000-950,000" years old.

http://www.sil.si.edu/smithsoniancontributions/EarthSciences/pdf_hi/sces-0017.pdf

Very few meteorites with terrestrial ages close to that have been
found - we have some Antarctic meteorites that have spent on the order
of a few million years on earth, and a few Omani meteorites (planetary
meteorites from Oman seem to be capable of having particularly high
terrestrial ages for some reason) with terrestrial ages in the
millions - this one's the kicker:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/dhofar0025.htm

-Don't know how that managed to survive, but it's an anomaly.

So, it seems unlikely that any meteorites would survive the ~700,000+
years that they would have had to in order to be found today.

But that's only half of the problem.

You've got to find the crater first...
And the real problem in this case is that we haven't found a good
source-crater candidate for the australaisan tektites yet.

Another link to a different page on the same site give a decent
summary of what has been suggested so far:

http://www.tektites.co.uk/source-crater.html

And a few others...

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1992Metic..27..154S

http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/reprint/7/7/351.pdf

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V66-4DD8PNK-6&_user=10&_coverDate=10%2F01%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_rerunOrigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=3499b5c52e10813333844165e1fd0705

So...somewhere in Cambodia, or off the coast of Vietnam? No one knows...
Find that, and you can start looking for meteorites, though...

Regards,
Jason


On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Stuart McDaniel
<actionshooting at carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> OK, I read Aubrey's site and it explains pretty well. But if there was a
> meteorite that big that hit the earth, shouldn't ?there be pieces to be
> found along with the tektites??
>
>
> Stuart McDaniel
> Lawndale, NC
> Secr.,
> Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart McDaniel"
> <actionshooting at carolina.rr.com>
> To: <paul at meteorite.com>; "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices
> (Was:Spectacular Tektite on eBay)
>
>
>> I know this will sound like a stupid question but how are these formed? I
>> thought teks were ejecta type material.
>>
>> Stuart McDaniel
>> Lawndale, NC
>> Secr.,
>> Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Harris" <paul at meteorite.com>
>> To: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices
>> (Was: Spectacular Tektite on eBay)
>>
>>
>>> Dear Richard and List,
>>>
>>> Here are some Australite Flange Buttons on Meteorite-Times.
>>>
>>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/march/Tektite_of_Month.htm
>>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2007/June/Tektite_of_Month.htm
>>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2007/May/Tektite_of_Month.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/December/Tektite_of_Month.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/February/Tektite_of_Month.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2004/October/Tektite_of_Month.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/September/Tektite_of_Month.htm
>>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/April/Tektite_of_Month.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2002/November/Tektite_of_Month.htm
>>>
>>> Just gotta love buttons!
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/9/2010 2:22 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Norm,
>>>>
>>>> I haven't looked at many tektites, but what caught my eye on this one
>>>> was the deep swirl on the bottom of this one. Obviously spinning as it
>>>> re-entered. I can't remember seeing this feature before.
>>>>
>>>> Just curious how common that is?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Richard Kowalski
>>>> Full Moon Photography
>>>> IMCA #1081
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Norm Lehrman<nlehrman at nvbell.net> ?wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Norm Lehrman<nlehrman at nvbell.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices
>>>>> (Was: Spectacular Tektite on eBay)
>>>>> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
>>>>> Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 11:02 AM
>>>>> Sorry, I was typing in the dark and
>>>>> hit a button that sent the message before I was done.
>>>>>
>>>>> The one on Ebay is significantly over-priced. ?For
>>>>> $1800, I think I can still source a flawless specimen. With the rim
>>>>> chips, I would not pay $1000, but times are
>>>>> certainly changing. ?They haven't made any more of
>>>>> these for a very long time and the supply is getting very
>>>>> lean.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I told the story on our website, but I traded my
>>>>> youngest daughter's hand in marriage for one fine flanged
>>>>> button. ?We were living in West Aus and spent lots of
>>>>> time out searching. ?On the fateful day, Derek (our
>>>>> great current son in law) came out with us, his first
>>>>> tektite hunt. ?Cookie and I had over 1000 finds each to
>>>>> our credit (australites that is, not a single fully flanged
>>>>> button) and had a pretty good eye. ?We know how to tell
>>>>> them from kangaroo droppings (bite them!).
>>>>>
>>>>> We were walking a dry stream channel southeast of
>>>>> Kalgoorlie and finding nothing. ?My daughter is
>>>>> American Indian, and I had been kidding Derek that if he
>>>>> wanted to marry her he was going to have to come up with a
>>>>> fine bunch of horses and blankets for the father of the
>>>>> bride. ?It was hot and dry and swarming with flies and
>>>>> kangaroo droppings were about as exciting as it got. Then Derek shouted
>>>>> "hey norm, about those horses and sheep
>>>>> and stuff---would this do???" ?He was holding up a
>>>>> perfect, flawless flanged button. ?I accepted on the
>>>>> spot. ?He has my daughter and a fine family, I have a
>>>>> fine flanged Australite and some great grandkids. What's more, we're
>>>>> both happy with the deal.
>>>>> People sometimes ask what my daughter thinks of being sold
>>>>> for a flanged button, and I assure them that she understands
>>>>> their rarity and is honored to command such a premium!
>>>>>
>>>>> Three years has passed since we moved to Africa and
>>>>> suspended the Tektite Source. ?Cookie has now moved
>>>>> back to the USA and is getting the inventory unpacked; I'm
>>>>> still wandering Africa at least until the end of the
>>>>> calendar year. ?But within a few months we should have
>>>>> things up and running again. ?Thanks for waiting. We have a long list
>>>>> of clients to contact when she finds
>>>>> everything. ?If you have items of interest from the
>>>>> website, let us know and we'll get to you when we can---
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to visit our own website, but unfortunately I think
>>>>> we are completely out of good flanged buttons (that are for
>>>>> sale--there's for sure on that isn't!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Norm
>>>>> http://tektitesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Mon, 8/9/10, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
>>>>> <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
>>>>>>
>>>>> <bernd.pauli at paulinet.de>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged
>>>>>>
>>>>> button prices (Was: Spectacular Tektite on eBay)
>>>>>
>>>>>> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>> Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 9:05 AM
>>>>>> Hello Brian and List,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian wrote: "On this beautiful tektite, I stand
>>>>>> corrected."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On December 3rd, 2000, I asked our late Darryl Futrell
>>>>>>
>>>>> (+
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aug 13, 2001) what
>>>>>> a reasonable price for a perfect Australian button
>>>>>>
>>>>> would be
>>>>>
>>>>>> and the next day he
>>>>>> responded like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "A perfect flanged button goes for about $2000 or
>>>>>>
>>>>> more.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe a sandblasted one might turn up for $1000 or
>>>>>>
>>>>> so."
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes from someone
>>>>>> who wishes he had one too
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bernd
>>>>>>
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