[meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'

From: GREG LINDH <geeg48_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:43:38 -0700
Message-ID: <BLU125-W1821167F92233865062239C9110_at_phx.gbl>

 
  Stering,
 
  You wrote:
 
  "In this reality, the State is usually successful in asserting whatever they wish to assert."
 
  Yup, that's pretty much the way it is, Sterling.
 
 
  Greg
 
 
 

> From: sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net
> To: veomega at gmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:26:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
>
> Well, if The State had used the "touched the
> Earth" argument to weasel out of State liability
> but still claim the stone, yes, you could counter-
> claim ownership if you caught it before it landed.
> But you'd have to be careful to never drop it
> outdoors, because at that moment, it would
> become the property of The State!
>
> Back in the real world, meteorite laws are
> few and vague and meteorite court cases
> are scarce indeed. In this reality, the State
> is usually successful in asserting whatever
> they wish to assert.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yinan Wang" <veomega at gmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not
> meteorite'
>
>
> "Then, on the bounce, it touches the Earth and becomes the Property of
> The State."
>
> So if a meteoroid embeds itself into your car, or you catch it before
> it hits the ground (ya, improbable as it seems), or if bounces off a
> cow and you catch it, does it belong to you now since it did not
> become a meteorite?
>
> - YvW
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Sterling K. Webb
> <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Any lawyer could argue his way out of this
>> dilema with one simple slip. The "meteorite,"
>> while falling, is a meteoroid, not a meteorite,
>> hence it is under God's jurisdiction.
>>
>> You, your car, your house, your dead dog
>> (or cow) are not the Earth. The meteorite only
>> becomes a meteorite when it touches the
>> Earth, after killing you, perforating your
>> car, smashing your house, or killing your
>> dog. Then, on the bounce, it touches the
>> Earth and becomes the Property of The State.
>>
>> No harm, no fault. Hand it over, please.
>>
>>
>> Sterling K. Webb
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <ensoramanda at ntlworld.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Martin Altmann"
>> <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,
>> not
>> meteorite'
>>
>>
>>> Interesting thought Martin...
>>>
>>> I wonder what their position would be regarding a meteorite (that
>>> belonged
>>> to the state) hitting and injuring/killing somebody?
>>>
>>> Graham, UK
>>>
>>> ---- Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are
>>>> meteorites as well, they kind of look the same."
>>>>
>>>> Because those people finding real meteorites, lunars and Martians
>>>> aren't
>>>> coming to Australia. :-(
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> Because: "if it was
>>>> a meteor it belongs to the WA Government".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Other question, would WA Government have paid the fixing of the
>>>> roof, if
>>>> it
>>>> would have been a meteorite?
>>>> I mean, then the damage would have caused by a property of the
>>>> state,
>>>> wouldn't it?
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>>>> Jeff
>>>> Kuyken
>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. April 2010 16:35
>>>> An: meteorite list
>>>> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock,not
>>>> meteorite'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/museum-investigates-meteori
>>>> te-claims/story-e6frg1ac-1225837470139
>>>>
>>>> Museum investigation: 'Probably a rock, not meteorite'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SCIENTISTS investigating claims a meteor fragment the size of a
>>>> cricket
>>>> ball
>>>>
>>>> collided into a WA house have confirmed it was almost certainly a
>>>> rock.
>>>> The
>>>> object hit the roof of the home about 4pm on Thursday in the
>>>> north-eastern
>>>> Perth suburb of Beechboro.
>>>>
>>>> A female occupant thought it was a meteor.
>>>>
>>>> The WA Museum today said the object may have fallen from a plane
>>>> lowering
>>>> its landing gear.
>>>>
>>>> The museum's head of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Dr Alex Bevan,
>>>> yesterday
>>>> inspected the object, which he did not suspect was from outer space.
>>>>
>>>> "Alex did have a look at some photos of the object, but when he did
>>>> look
>>>> at
>>>> it in person, he did not think it was from a meteorite," a museum
>>>> spokesperson said.
>>>>
>>>> "Sometimes rocks get caught in the wheels of planes and as they are
>>>> lowering
>>>>
>>>> their gear they may fall, we just don't know."
>>>>
>>>> Perth Observatory said it had received a "couple of reports" on
>>>> Thursday
>>>> night from people phoning to say they had seen a light in the sky.
>>>>
>>>> "At this stage no one seems to be able to put it all together, but
>>>> if it
>>>> was
>>>>
>>>> a meteor it belongs to the WA Government, observatory astronomer
>>>> Ralph
>>>> Martyn said.
>>>>
>>>> "The reports at this stage are very sketchy."
>>>>
>>>> He said the observatory was waiting to inspect a photograph of the
>>>> object.
>>>>
>>>> "A lot of people find slag out of glass furnaces and think they are
>>>> meteorites as well, they kind of look the same."
>>>>
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