[meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule

From: Gary Chase <garychase_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:48:14 -0700
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Martin and List...........
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You have a good point Martin=2C it is all about respect for other list memb=
ers. Every dealer bends the rules a little but 10 ads in 14 days? That is=
 just in your face spamming and disregard for the rules. Everybody knows h=
e has an ebay store by now unless they have been living under a rock=2C so =
what is so hard to just check it daily for those interested and make a 50% =
offer off of his inflated asking prices?
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Matin also has a good point on how this list would die if every dealer post=
ed 10 ads in 14 days. So I will throw down a challenge to all dealers on t=
he list:
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Post an ad of your own every time Cottingham violates the rules. This will=
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force the issue. Either the rule will be enforced or it will be officially=
 eliminated.
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Also=2C to those of you who sent me private emails in support of my complai=
ning about the Nigerian spammer on this list=2C you can participate too. =
Since you are not dealers=2C just post an ad reminding everyone of other me=
teorites that may be for sale on ebay that are not your own. This is kind =
of like supporting your favorite dealer.
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Gary
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> From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 15:08:13 +0200
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
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> Hi Jason=2C list=2C
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> I found out=2C that Art=2C the administrator IS Steve Arnold=2C Chicago
> and that he has running a bet with Cottingham=2C whether Michael can crea=
te
> more than hundred repetitions of the name "Cottingham" in the title of
> list-mails=2C reacting on his excessive advertising.
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> Jason & newbies. Cottingham is not the only dealer on the planet=2C who h=
as a
> large stock of meteorites for sale. There are several with similar amount=
s
> of material and interesting meteorites.
> How many members has the list? 1000? Many of them collectors=2C who want =
to
> sell or swap here and there pieces too.
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> Note that all professional major dealers use this list for solely
> advertising: Novelties=2C rare types=2C pieces with exceptional character=
istics=2C
> rare historical specimens=2C "hot" deals below market price.
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> Could you imagine=2C how it would end=2C if all of them would advertise l=
ike a
> Cottingham=2C if they would advertise their bulk=2C if all of them would
> obtrusively advertise each single piece with ads so long until it is sold
> like Chicago-Steve is doing it?
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> We would have more than a thousand ads a week.
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> I guess many=2C if not most members appreciate the list as a source of
> information (to a certain degree ads belong into that category) and
> inspiration and enjoy the discussions.
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> I really doubt=2C that anyone of them would be in the mood to rummage dai=
ly
> through hundred ads=2C to find the sparsely scattered posts with some mor=
e
> witty contents. Neither do have all the time to do that=2C nor is an offe=
red
> meteorite to the same extend interesting for all meteorite people.
> It would be like the annoying occupation to search through the hundreds o=
f
> Campos=2C fake Nantans=2C mainstream material on ebay=2C to find the two =
or three
> auctions a week=2C which fit in ones focus=2C budget ect.
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> It would be the end of this list. Full stop.
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> The newer members maybe don't understand=2C that this vintage-mailing-lis=
t
> isn't a forum where e.g. ads are sorted in an own board=2C so that they c=
an be
> ignored by those=2C not interested in. And that this form of conversation=
 is
> based on a different etiquette=2C than fast communication forms like a
> chat-room.
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> So keeping in mind=2C that here on the list are enrolled quite all of the
> largest dealers=2C the most successful hunters of the planet and a good s=
hare
> of the collectors of the world=2C
> Jason=2C then I have to say=2C the discipline to obey to the 1-Ad-per-wee=
k-rule
> is remarkable and the rule works well.
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> Everyone connives at an offerer=2C if he's somewhat excited and breaks th=
e
> rule=2C as long it remains an isolated case.
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> And if you look back=2C with all those many people here having meteorites=
 for
> sale=2C
> in fact only two persons suffer from incontinence and nocturia.
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> ....and here I see the problem=2C that new members see that the recklessn=
ess
> of two members (out of 1000) isn't sanctioned=2C so that they could feel
> invited to act in the same manner.
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> I think=2C they won't sell more=2C if they advertise several times per we=
ek.
> Decisive for a purchase are for a collector the properties and the qualit=
ies
> of the offered specimen=2C the price - and often enough his opinion on th=
e
> seller too. I could imagine=2C that for some collectors it could be even
> deterrent=2C to think about purchasing from a person=2C who present himse=
lf in
> public so impolite=2C reckless and egomaniac.
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> Well=2C my thoughts only=2C
> open the list for unrestricted spamming
> and you will loose half of the members.
> (and then it won't be attractive anymore to advertise here...)
> You'll see.
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> Martin=20
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> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
> Utas
> Gesendet: Donnerstag=2C 15. Oktober 2009 05:18
> An: Meteorite-list
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
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> Hola All=2C
> The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it.
> It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's (Chicago)
> postings=2C but it failed. Other dealers seemed happy enough to go
> along with it on their own out of=2C for lack of a better word=2C courtes=
y
> to other list members=2C who generally agreed that it was a good thing
> to do (at the time). It seems apparent now that most list members
> have no problem with dealers posting to the list as often as they
> wish=2C so it would appear as though the rule is no longer being
> advocated by either dealers or common list-users/readers.
> Thus the rule is=2C I would say=2C now null and void.
> For better or worse=2C so be it.
> But if you can't enforce it=2C and people won't follow it=2C it doesn't
> make much of a rule. And if a select few choose to go against it=2C it
> kind of screws over the other dealers who still abide by it=2C so I say
> to hell with it.
> We'll see what happens to the list...this could be interesting.
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> Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for those of
> you who may be interested - hopefully within the next hour=2C but it may
> take two to finish it all up.
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> Regards=2C
> Jason
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