[meteorite-list] Meteorites and Moroccans

From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:10:54 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <742892.90505.qm_at_web46413.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

"Holding back material"

Kind of like the West, Texas fall? I still see people advertising it as only 3kg found, yet from my totals, over 15kg have been found... One person has recovered well over 3kg himself!
Its not just Moroccans.
I see activity going on with recent falls that leads me to think that alot of the guys out there intentionaly mislead about TKW until they can get as much as they can off the fall. When you see a "common" H5 with over 15kg found being offered for $100/g, that is really bad.
Travel to Texas does not cost that much... hell Carancas was selling for $100 per gram at first... can anyone tell me travel to Peru costs as much as a trip to Texas?

This "hobby" is all about the money and nothing else for many people.

Just how I see it.

Greg C.



--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites and Moroccans
> To: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 2:49 PM
>
>
> I have been ripped off tens of thousands of dollars by
> bait-and-switches pulled by Moroccans in the past along with
> several other dealers. You will have to go back further in
> the archives to get their names.? The weights were
> always light and a disproportionate amount of terrestrial
> material was mixed in when I purchased several thousand
> pound lots. I have found meteorites glued together and
> terrestrial rocks with shoe polish on them? I even got
> ripped by $4,500.00 on a piece of crusted industrial waste
> that the Moroccans knew was not a meteorite after being told
> by the French who also wasted money on the same material.
>
> I cannot begin to tell you how many people got ripped-offed
> on so-called pairings to NWA 482.? Not a single pairing
> has ever surfaced so buyers were too embarrassed to come
> forward and say they bought a piece of spray painted marble
> for thousands.? Just ask dealers who got ripped off on
> the Masklynite-rich Eucrite that is still being sold as
> "lunar" even though Moroccan dealers know differently.?
> Some of this "lunar" was being offered in Tucson this year.
>
> Some Moroccan dealers even went as fair as telling buyers
> it was alright to use our nomenclature on their unstudied
> material. They let a small piece out of what may a rare
> piece. When they find out what it is, then all of sudden the
> bulk of it comes forward. Holding back material is what is
> causing all of these pairing issues.
>
> That said, I only deal with honest Moroccans. Burn me once
> and I take my business elsewhere.
>
> Jealousy is an ugly thing.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
> ?
>
>
>
> -- On Tue, 5/19/09, Abdelaziz Alhyane <abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Abdelaziz Alhyane <abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites and Moroccans
> > To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 10:21 AM
> >
> > """
> >
> > ? The Moroccans, on the other hand, are becoming
> > increasingly sneaky.? They will send a sample of a
> > real Martian meteorite and then send a load of crap
> > which you will never see a refund on.? A couple of
> > Moroccan fraudsters were even pictured at the last
> > meteorite show as can bee seen by the postings to the
> > List.
> >
> > I now refuse to buy from either one!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Adam???""""
> >
> > List,
> >? This is an example of what I was talking about,
> Is that
> > happened to Adam or he just want to hurt our business
> which
> > handereds of nomads get their bread from after
> sending
> > months on the high desert for a few dollars.
> >? The message is clear, it is for collectors to
> not buying
> > from Moroccans after we can sell directly to
> collectors.
> > Adam does not stop buying from Moroccans, hes a liar,
> After
> > this message we all know he bought NWA5000 and this
> 'ROCK"
> > is another story.
> > All I want and most of us, from the is to make things
> > clear, if I'm ripped off by someone, I would tell his
> name
> > after many times trying to get paid or get my stone(s)
> back,
> > and then everybody must talk to him, if he does not
> fix the
> > problem, everybody shoud STOP dealling with him.
> > I hope we will not read negative comments about
> Moroccans
> > based on nothing than competition and selfeshness.
> > Just my opinion
> >
> > Thanks
> > Aziz
> >
> >
> > ? ? ?
> >
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