[meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID

From: Kashuba <mary.kashuba_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:30:16 -0700
Message-ID: <003d01c9d43b$eb3926c0$c1ab7440$_at_kashuba@verizon.net>

List,

This is not the shape of a tool made to hack, throw, push or pull. The shape of the "blade" and the location of mass is wrong. Further, a people that was short of iron would not have made an implement with a solid handle.

I suggest this is a bar scarffed to be joined by welding to a similarly scarffed bar to form a corner for some structural application. It might even be part of such a joint that has failed and has been cut away from reusable stock.

The nickel test should be enlightening.

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Peter Scherff
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:38 PM
To: cdtucson at cox.net; 'meteoritelist'
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID

Hi Carl,
        When a meteorite is heated and worked any widmanstatten pattern is usually destroyed. So the lack of a pattern won?t prove anything.
        I am somewhat skeptical as to your objects origin. My skepticism arises out of the shape of the handle. From the photos the handle portion appears to have a round cross section. That makes me think that the object was forged from an iron rod.

Thanks,

Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: cdtucson at cox.net [mailto:cdtucson at cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:43 PM
To: Peter Scherff; meteoritelist
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID

Peter,
I purchased this at an estate sale in Tucson and all the lady told me was that
her late husband told her it was made of "meteor" and was a weapon from Egypt
used for killing and not for kitchen use. ( good words to help sell? Maybe!)
I deal in antiques so, I know there is always a story but the story does not
always match the facts. I did try to acid etch the polished end and it dulls
evenly except is small circles where it stays very shiny. No Widmanstatten or
Newman lines. It still has a decent edge as well.
I am being told that ASU has an AXE from Toluca so I am going to try and find a
pic but I have not seen it yet. Thank you.
Carl

---- Peter Scherff <peterscherff at rcn.com> wrote:
> Hi Carl,
> The photos of the iron object you posted are interesting. Perhaps we could give you more information if you could tell us why you think that the object is prehistoric, why it is meteoritic and why it is an ax?
> Thanks,
> Peter Scherff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of cdtucson at cox.net
> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: Jack Schrader; meteoritelist
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID
>
> Thank you Jack,
> Does anyone have any photos of Toluca tools they could share? Any other thoughts about Toluca as a sour se of this axe? If from Toluca would that make this a possible Mayan or Aztec culture or would you simply say Pre-Columbian artifact? Thank you.
>
> ---- Jack Schrader <schraderj at rocketmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Carl. My guess would be that it is a Toluca or Xiquipilco meteorite. This meteorite is known by both names as it was discovered in the Toluca Valley of Xiquipilco Mexico in 1776. This meteoritic iron was well known to the early settlers in the area and they used the iron they found to make many of their common everyday tools. Nininger documented a number of tools made from this same iron when he visited the area and began collecting the meteorites from the locals. Best wishes, Jack
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "cdtucson at cox.net" <cdtucson at cox.net>
> To: meteoritelist <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:21:33 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite Axe ID
>
> List,
> Please forgive me. I had some old photos I forgot to delete. What I am looking for is the correct age and culture of this antique Axe made of meteorite iron. Thanks Carl
>
> > List,
> > Can anyone help me identify the age and origin of this meteorite Iron Axe. Weighs 3.5 pounds. and is over 6 inches long.
> > Thank you.
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/13030472 at N07/?saved=1
> >
> > Carl Esparza
> > IMCA 5829
> > Meteoritemax
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