[meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:19:33 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <203817.96518.qm_at_web110615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Easy,
West was public knowledge, more than 75 meteorite hunters showed up, and people were everywhere angering landowners, tramping over fields, etc, we don't have or want that problem here.
Michael Farmer

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
> To: cdtucson at cox.net, meteoritehunter at comcast.net
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, impactika at aol.com
> Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 1:07 PM
>
> All:
>
> I'm relatively new at this and I was wondering.
>
> Why is there so much difference between this fall and the
> West, TX fall?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg S
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:02:08 -0400
> > From: cdtucson at cox.net
> > To: meteoritehunter at comcast.net
> > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com;
> Impactika at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a
> meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
> >
> > WOW,
> > I will take my chances with Anne and IMCA. Unlike
> yourself, Anne is one of the honorable list members. She
> knows me well enough to know that I did not intentionally
> violate any rules. We all are entitled to an opinion and you
> and I seem to disagree often. I don't know why this is on
> list though. Here you go again mud slinging. As I recall it
> was you that acused me of misrepresenting Carancas not the
> other way around. I simply pointed out that those nice folks
> in Peru invited our team to lunch while you say they
> threatened your life. Well Mike we all write our own epitaph
> and yours is well known. This may be a good episode for that
> wonderful show, "Meteorite Men"? OUCH ! Sorry I could not
> resist. .
> > Carl --
> > Carl or Debbie Esparza
> > IMCA 5829
> > Meteoritemax
> >
> >
> > ---- meteoritehunter at comcast.net
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> WOW
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Can you say EX-IMCA member.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Carl, you were rejected because of things like
> calling me a "psycho" and worse names.
> >>
> >> The list archives are full of bad things you have
> said about me. Do you honestly think? I would hunt with
> you after the things you have said about me regarding
> Carancas?
> >>
> >> Man, my day is getting brighter from the sheer
> idiocy of this.
> >>
> >> Michael Farmer
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: cdtucson at cox.net
> >> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> Impactika at aol.com,
> meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> >> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:26:49 AM GMT -07:00
> U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona)
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a
> meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
> >>
> >> Anne,
> >> It is hard to believe that you would put this on
> the list.
> >> Respectfully , this is not Jack's find. Sure Jack
> can claim ownership of his finds and nobody is going to take
> them away from him but give us all a break here. This is a
> fall that was observed by dozens of people and there are
> dozens of us out looking for evidence of it. I don't think
> this hit Jack on the head. I think he also had to figure
> this out. Why is he any better than the rest of us???? I
> simply asked what Mike drives as verification but obviously
> I had already figured out the general area. Cat Mountain was
> also this big secret that I had to do a lot of work to find
> out where it was. I then shared this info with others and it
> resulted in the discovery of Snyder Hill while they were
> looking. This is all good and if you don't agree I am sorry
> but How can you say? that this is Jack's find???? That
> is ridiculous!
> >> I did not post the location but I did ask Mike if
> I could help earlier and he rejected me. This would have
> made this location confidential. Now I'm not so sure? And
> Jack never personally even bothered to respond to my list
> posts and requests to help. As you know I offered to rescue
> these critters before they drown in the rains. They said
> no.
> >> I don't know what material is left to be found but
> hopefully now more will be found before they do drown. Again
> this is all good.
> >> PS what is your call on the leak of a private
> email your Honor?
> >> --
> >> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> >> IMCA 5829
> >> Meteoritemax
> >>
> >>
> >> ---- Impactika at aol.com
> wrote:
> >>> No, Mike,
> >>>
> >>> The IMCA does not condone this type of
> behavior. IMCA members are expected
> >>> to behave in a professional and ethical
> manner. Please go read our code of
> >>> Ethics, on the IMCA website,?
> _www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc) .
> >>>
> >>> It is Jack Schaeder's discovery, and Jack's
> wishes should be respected.
> >>>
> >>> But dreams of new meteorites will mislead
> people.
> >>> Surely you know that.
> >>>
> >>> Anne M. Black
> >>> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> >>> _IMPACTIKA at aol.com_
> (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
> >>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> >>> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 7/17/2009 10:57:13 AM
> Mountain Daylight Time,
> >>> meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> writes:
> >>> Hello list, I was forwarded an email that Carl
> Esparza, proud IMCA member,
> >>> sent to some other Arizona residents.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> IMCA, do you approve of your members,
> supposedly the people of the highest
> >>> integrity he, he,he he, stooping to spying on
> other people? Is there any
> >>> action that can be taken on this matter.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This shows how pitiful some of these people
> are, too lazy to do their own
> >>> homework, and so deceitful that they will
> resort to pitiful spying on other
> >>> list members rather than do their homework.
> >>>
> >>> This type of crap is EXACTLY why you are not
> welcome.
> >>>
> >>> Take this hint, learn how to hunt meteorites
> and stop trying to worm your
> >>> way in. It takes work to find a meteorite, not
> scams.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Hello, Would any of you fellow Arizonians
> share with me off-List what kind
> >>> of vehicle Mike Farmer drives. Hint- I have
> been hunting the Benson area
> >>> Fall and don't know what kind or color of cars
> to look for. I promise to share
> >>> results if any. Thank you.
> >>> Carl Esparza
> >>> IMCA 5829
> >>> Meteoritemax"
> >>> **************Can love help you live longer?
> Find out now.
> >>> (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu
> >>> slove00000001)
> >>>
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