[meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

From: Mark Grossman <markig_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:30:02 -0400
Message-ID: <C59F5273AB394E83B7C540C3EFC23323_at_QED>

Yes, it is very, very sad that in all fields of endeavors, these type of
people are so rare indeed.

And I must say, that having pursued graduate school in chemistry, the
scientists - just lilke the meteorite hunters, dealers and collectors as
well -have the best and the worst, just like any other field of endeavor.

Mark Grossman

----- Original Message -----
From: "GREG LINDH" <geeg48 at msn.com>
To: <markig at westnet.com>
Cc: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:24 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?




    Hi Mark,

  I understand the points you made in your post and for the most part I
agree with them. Your strongest point, and the one I agree with the most is
the last sentence in your post. It follows:

  "But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field of
endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they deal
with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The accomplishments
speak louder than the words."

  How right you are. Too bad there are so few that have both smarts *and*
empathy - and aren't out to prove anything to anyone.


  Greg Lindh



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> From: markig at westnet.com
> To: geeg48 at msn.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
> BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:17:16 -0400
>
> I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the scientific
> ones.
>
> Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan
> project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had a real caustic
> side also. If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, he
> would humiliate him or her in front of the other students. But if he took
> a
> liking to you, it was completely different. Here was a man who did not win
> a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners. He was a man
> who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only
> prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics.
>
> In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side -
> the
> failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the
> newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall.
>
> No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other
> types
> of communities. You have all types of people. Some are more vocal than
> others. But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any
> field
> of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they
> deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The
> accomplishments speak louder than the words.
>
> Mark Grossman
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GREG LINDH"
> To:
> Cc: "meteorite-list"
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
> BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>
>
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell
> you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare
> thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the Tucson show a couple of
> years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin
> to
> afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just
> talked and encouraged me. I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to
> see
> in this community.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: markig at westnet.com
>> To: mikewren at gilanet.com
>> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST
>> ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>
>> Trust me, you don't want to know!
>>
>> I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over
>> the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now
>> so
>> much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
>> remediation and lead remediation.
>>
>> It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.
>>
>> Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but
>> I
>> really don't know.
>>
>> In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.
>>
>> Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name
>> Bob
>> Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know.
>> But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the
>> hobby
>> think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss
>> the merits.
>>
>> But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry,
>> I
>> think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.
>>
>> But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever
>> they are and in whatever field, just become known by their
>> accomplishments,
>> regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype,
>> they
>> are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.
>>
>> In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "michael cottingham"
>> To: "Mark Grossman"
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST
>> ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about
>>> who
>>> the best mold investigator is though?!!
>>>
>>> Best Wishes
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
>>>
>>>> You have the advantage on me here.
>>>>
>>>> But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you have
>>>> to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular
>>>> community, THE best is yet to be determined.
>>>>
>>>> Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals (in
>>>> my opinion, that is!)
>>>>
>>>> Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without
>>>> question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who
>>>> everyone acknowledges is THE best.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
>>>>>>>>
>>>> To: "Mark Grossman"
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
>>>> BEST
>>>> ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.
>>>>> That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as far as
>>>>> personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found the meteorite,
>>>>> Nininger found very, very few...
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within
>>>>>> the first few minutes of your post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Grossman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: "Mark Grossman"
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
>>>>>> BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly
>>>>>>> clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the
>>>>>>> subject.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Wishes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Simple question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't have to determine who it is. Everyone in the particular
>>>>>>>> community just knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles. Just
>>>>>>>> reputation built on accomplishment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold
>>>>>>>> investigation, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone just knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Grossman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
>>>>>>>> BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a simple question or is it? How do you determine who is
>>>>>>>>> the best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am curious?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>
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