[meteorite-list] Fw: Question For The List ???? WHO IS THEBESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

From: Mark Grossman <markig_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:24:32 -0400
Message-ID: <1AD630EA69DA4CD18BF96F24771CB4A6_at_QED>

OK Michael, in replying to the last message, it looks like I slipped up, and
the truth has come out.

In actuality , it was Robert Oppenheimer who was the most famous mold
investigator of them all. :-)

Mark Grossman


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Grossman" <markig at westnet.com>
To: "GREG LINDH" <geeg48 at msn.com>
Cc: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS
THEBESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?


>I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the scientific
>ones.
>
> Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan
> project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had a real caustic
> side also. If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question,
> he would humiliate him or her in front of the other students. But if he
> took a liking to you, it was completely different. Here was a man who did
> not win a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners. He
> was a man who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending,
> but his only prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of
> Physics.
>
> In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side -
> the failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the
> newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall.
>
> No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other
> types of communities. You have all types of people. Some are more vocal
> than others. But the true greats - and they are few and far between in
> any field of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people
> who they deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone.
> The accomplishments speak louder than the words.
>
> Mark Grossman
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "GREG LINDH" <geeg48 at msn.com>
> To: <markig at westnet.com>
> Cc: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
> BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>
>
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can
> tell you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a
> rare thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the Tucson show a
> couple of years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't
> even begin to afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his
> time and just talked and encouraged me. I'll tell you what, that is a
> *rare* thing to see in this community.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
>> From: markig at westnet.com
>> To: mikewren at gilanet.com
>> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST
>> ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>
>> Trust me, you don't want to know!
>>
>> I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over
>> the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now
>> so
>> much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
>> remediation and lead remediation.
>>
>> It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.
>>
>> Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but
>> I
>> really don't know.
>>
>> In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.
>>
>> Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name
>> Bob
>> Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know.
>> But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the
>> hobby
>> think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss
>> the merits.
>>
>> But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry,
>> I
>> think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.
>>
>> But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever
>> they are and in whatever field, just become known by their
>> accomplishments,
>> regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype,
>> they
>> are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.
>>
>> In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "michael cottingham"
>> To: "Mark Grossman"
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST
>> ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about
>>> who
>>> the best mold investigator is though?!!
>>>
>>> Best Wishes
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
>>>
>>>> You have the advantage on me here.
>>>>
>>>> But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you have
>>>> to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular
>>>> community, THE best is yet to be determined.
>>>>
>>>> Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals (in
>>>> my opinion, that is!)
>>>>
>>>> Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without
>>>> question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who
>>>> everyone acknowledges is THE best.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
>>>>>>>>
>>>> To: "Mark Grossman"
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
>>>> BEST
>>>> ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.
>>>>> That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as far as
>>>>> personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found the meteorite,
>>>>> Nininger found very, very few...
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within
>>>>>> the first few minutes of your post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Grossman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> To: "Mark Grossman"
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
>>>>>> BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly
>>>>>>> clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the
>>>>>>> subject.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Wishes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Simple question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't have to determine who it is. Everyone in the particular
>>>>>>>> community just knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles. Just
>>>>>>>> reputation built on accomplishment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold
>>>>>>>> investigation, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone just knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Grossman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
>>>>>>>> BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a simple question or is it? How do you determine who is
>>>>>>>>> the best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am curious?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>
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