[meteorite-list] Willamette

From: Darryl Pitt <darryl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:11:12 -0500
Message-ID: <43DE53F7-1922-4B69-A906-033FC364E4F0_at_dof3.com>

Hi Steve,

I think I understand your point, but please consider....

--No one has ever been sued for possession of a piece of the
Willamette meteorite;
--No one has ever been threatened with a lawsuit for possession or
sale of a portion of the Willamette meteorite;
--There were several sales of Willamette specimens in the past several
years which were widely covered by the media, and the Grand Ronde
never sued anyone or threatened to sue anyone. Moreover, the GR
published statements that they would not engage in or consider such
lawsuits;

If there is one meteorite you own where you can sleep at night knowing
you're not going to be sued---it's Willamette.


All the best / Darryl





On Dec 17, 2009, at 3:54 AM, Steve Dunklee wrote:

> if you own any Willamette at all prepair to be sued. They are not
> interested in the few thousands of dollars they may get from the
> meteorite. What the Lawers want is the Tens of thousands of dollars
> in legal fees.
>
>
>> E.P.,
>> Steve's note does not address or resolve a single one of
>> the issues I
>> brought up, and only gives a possible explanation for why
>> the tribe
>> didn't *purchase* a specimen from Matt or Darryl; and since
>> Matt
>> offered to donate one to them, this still seems a poor
>> explanation. I
>> didn't address this issue/question in my email, so, no,
>> this clarifies
>> nothing.
>> Jason
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:43 AM, E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Steve -
>>>
>>> You may have it, what the GR lawyers and leaders are
>> thinking. In any case, the AMNH left Darryl hanging in the
>> wind, AS WELL AS ANY FUTURE PURCHASERS.
>>>
>>> PS - Jason, I hope Steve's explanation makes this
>> clearer to you.
>>>
>>> I also hope an honorable and acceptable way out
>> appears. I hope the AMNH steps up to the plate.
>>>
>>> E.P. Grondine
>>> Man and Impact in the Americas
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
>>>> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 3:37 AM
>>>
>>>> The GR most likely did not respond
>>>> due to the nature of the current legal process. I
>> would
>>>> compare it to buying your stolen item from a pawn
>> shop. the
>>>> pawn shop did not know the item was hot and made a
>> legal
>>>> purchase. which would also place a monetary value
>> on the
>>>> main mass. They can not buy a piece without
>> putting thier
>>>> claim to the main mass in jeopardy. there may also
>> be a gag
>>>> order in the case by the Judge which would prevent
>> them from
>>>> responding.
>>>
>>>> instead of trying to have the GR buy the piece it
>>>> should be returned to the seller with a request
>> for a
>>>> refund, as the original sale/trade was illegal.
>>>
>>>> its like sayinmg to them "hey i just bought your
>> stolen car! would you like to buy it back?"
>>>
>>>> have a great day
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Willamette
>>>>> To: mail at mhmeteorites.com,
>>>> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com,
>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
>>>> countdeiro at earthlink.net
>>>>> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 9:29 AM
>>>>> Matt -
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my opinion but it is likely that the
>> slicing was
>>>> a
>>>>> further desecration in their view, so their
>> lack of
>>>> response
>>>>> comes as no surprise.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think Count Deiro's advice is very
>> good. I
>>>> would
>>>>> suggest contacting them again - perhaps parts
>> of the
>>>> slice
>>>>> could be used by them in an appropriate
>> manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, countdeiro at earthlink.net
>>>>> <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: countdeiro at earthlink.net
>>>>> <countdeiro at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>> Willamette
>>>>>> To: mail at mhmeteorites.com,
>>>>> "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>,
>>>>> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com,
>>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 11:11
>> PM
>>>>>> The Grand Ronde band of American
>>>>>> Indians own the largest and most
>> profitable
>>>>> hotel/casino in
>>>>>> Oregon. Anybody who is at least 1/8th GR
>> gets a
>>>>> percentage
>>>>>> every month . I wouldn't bother either.
>>>>>> Count Deiro
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Matt Morgan <mail at mhmeteorites.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Dec 9, 2009 11:04 PM
>>>>>>> To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>,
>>>>>> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com,
>>>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>> Willamette
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI, I offered the GR a generous
>> slice of my
>>>>> Willamette
>>>>>> and they didn't even respond to me. If
>> I were
>>>>> Darryl,
>>>>>> I wouldn't even bother.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt Morgan
>>>>>>> ------Original Message------
>>>>>>> From: E.P. Grondine
>>>>>>> Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]
>> Willamette
>>>>>>> Sent: Dec 9, 2009 8:44 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Darryl -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May I suggest to you that perhaps it
>> would be
>>>> best
>>>>> to
>>>>>> find a buyer for the Willamette piece
>> who wanted
>>>> a tax
>>>>> write
>>>>>> off for gifting it back to the Grand
>> Ronde
>>>> peoples? I
>>>>> don't
>>>>>> know their financial situation, or
>> plans, but I
>>>> would
>>>>>> suggest contacting their elders as well
>> before
>>>> doing
>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E.P. Grondine
>>>>>>> Man and Impact in the Americas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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