[meteorite-list] Ooops..... Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebayscams

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:30:07 +0200
Message-ID: <002a01ca226b$e1ad5a80$177f2a59_at_name86d88d87e2>

Apologies.

Last post was for the IMCA mailing list, not for the meteorite mailing list.

Should have read the return address better.

All these lists and fora.....

Martin

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Martin
Altmann
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 16:01
An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago
Ebayscams

>what would the IMCAs stance be? Would the members be just as ready to
>remove them?

Sure.
See the Code of Ethics.
But you need evidence and you have to complain.

Anyway, I don't know, why people are buying such sensible goods like
metorites from ebay, if they don't know the sellers at all and if they don't
have affiance in IMCA. Then it's no wonder, that greed can take its toll in
such an unsafe place like ebay.

Martin
On a summer day.





-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: imca-bounces at imcamail.de [mailto:imca-bounces at imcamail.de] Im Auftrag
von Greg Catterton
Gesendet: Freitag, 21. August 2009 15:10
An: imca at imcamail.de
Betreff: Re: [IMCA] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams

Not trying to defend him or anyone else, but I have seen other IMCA and non
members do similar actions (ending auctions minutes before it ends due to
low bids and also have strong evidence of shill bidding by others)
I have been following 3 buyers after seeing suspect things happen.
While I dont have 100% proof, I am all but certain this is going on and have
been saving up evidence to support my claims.

So I ask, once I have indisputable proof, should a well respected member be
found to be doing such activity, what would the IMCAs stance be? Would the
members be just as ready to remove them?

Some of what I have seen includes auctions I was winning ended minutes
before it ends (reasons given vary from listing error to item not available
anymore) The same person out bidding me on a regular basis, yet no feedback
is ever left from either person... The ebay buyer/user in question also had
a more then 60% bid activity with the ebay seller in question and very low
feedback total with not many transactions. This happens only when the
selling price is really low - im talking to a point where I am sure a big
loss (from normal market value) is possible - Im talking $20 per gram stuff
with only $2 per gram bids.

This is kind of a warning to all. If you do Shill bidding, people will catch
on. People will start keeping track of suspect things. You will end up
getting caught.
just my 2 pennies while on this subject.

Greg C.
Received on Fri 21 Aug 2009 10:30:07 AM PDT