[meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay

From: Francisco Ocaņa <albireo3000_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:34:11 +0200
Message-ID: <4A79C293.9040706_at_yahoo.es>

Don?t think so! hehe. "Cer*n*uda" is a common surname:
http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial%3ABuscar&search=cernuda&fulltext=Buscar

And no idea about who "Ceruda" is.

Best,

Paco Oca?a


Martin Altmann escribi?:
> Maybe Olalla Cernuda ?
>
> http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/27/ciencia/1182931659.html
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> http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/11/29/ciencia/1133258125.html
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> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark
> Grossman
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 03:51
> An: Jason Utas; Meteorite-list
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I
> cameacrossonebay
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on
> thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was
> about $22.
>
> But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named "Ceruda"? Sounds like the
>
> beginning of some suspense movie!
>
> Mark Grossman
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came
> acrossonebay
>
>
> Hello Mark,
> I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've
> sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a
> vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than
> they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well
> be an honest mistake. There's no telling.
> It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction
> closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that.
> Another one bites the dust...
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossman<markig at westnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right.
>>
>> I checked "Rocks from Space", and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca
>> specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding
>> from between the Widmanstatten plates.
>>
>> And it looks like some of those brown "crossed lines" on the ebay sample.
>>
>> So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on
>> his hands that he is trying to unload? :)
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Mark Grossman
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
>> To: "Kashuba" <mary.kashuba at verizon.net>; "Meteorite-list"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came
>> acrosson
>> ebay
>>
>>
>> Hello Mark, All,
>> Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined "lawrencite," a
>> corrosive "disease" that occurs primarily in the presence of
>> terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it
>> generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation
>> even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time
>> in unfavorable climates.
>> The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine
>> specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill
>> Mason might have a word on this.
>> That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice.
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashuba<mary.kashuba at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, List,
>>>
>>> It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear
>>> coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around
>>> under
>>> coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this
>>> slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a
>>> description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanst?tten
>>> pattern
>>> and figured that is what the "crossed lines" are. You might pick it up
>>> cheap, refinish it and pray.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> - John
>>>
>>> John Kashuba
>>> Ontario, California
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark
>>> Grossman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM
>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on
>>> ebay
>>>
>>> Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came
>>> across
>>>
>>> on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a
>>> collector
>>>
>>> in Spain named "Ceruda" and the troilite is "the crossed lines on the
>>> specimen."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180387460024&ssPageName=S
>
>>> TRK:MEWAX:IT
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Mark Grossman
>>>
>>>
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