[meteorite-list] Steve of Chicago final message

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:06:47 -0700
Message-ID: <93aaac890904020206n79cf029cmf884e8c75fa96937_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hola All,
A very dignified and respectful message from the very person who made
it his mission to persecute the 'gentle giant' himself.
I would like to point out the past.
Elton's comments about Steve have ranged from the recent:

"Do you get a cut in your unemployment check so now it is only $35 a
gram you can afford?"
3/1/2009

-to-

"And for all the scumbag listees that prostitute
yourselves to grovel over sSteve's bribes/discards--
feeding into his morbid games: Get some back bone."
5/26/2007

-and we shouldn't forget-

"Steve: <blap>STHU!"
4/23/2005

-and-

"Steve's latest rounds of "leave me alone, I've done nothing wrong, I
am not listening to you" comes across as another back door attention
scam--to those that have seen his patterns over and over and over,
many have run out of cheeks to turn."
7/1/2005

-not to mention the countless sarcastic comments like the following-

"I would realy like to hear from Steve on how he is able to parlay his
unemployment check into a collection which rivals that of the Field Museum.
His technique might be just the thing we need to pay off the national debt and
revive the world economy!"
1/18/2009

And of course, to cap it all off, I suppose - the reason You, Elton,
can now be gracious is simply because he's gone - as you yourself said
on August 25, 2002:

"Steve on one hand I
think you are overall a good person that would like to make a
contribution to our hobby. Then another email arrives...Just call me
PTSD but you then perrish that belief I have in you."

So now that you've literally forced him into hiding, under threat of
frivolous litigation, you can afford to be as gracious as could be.
Got it.

Jason


On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> This is not the post anyone is expecting and it addresses everyone so please read to the end. ?As I am the originator of the thread this is for all: from the pacifist who were not privy to Steve's of Illinois complete meteorite dealings and for the others that experienced them personally: those who may have purchased/received from him and got what was promised/paid for but not received from him/paid for but didn't get what they paid from him, etc.--for all those that wanted to get along rather than deal with the gritty ethics, for those who so passionately defended everyone's right regardless of any other factor, for those kind souls who made the case again and again for moderation by all sides, for those who were aggravated beyond speakable words at certain acts and, those that found the situation inconsistent with a hobby based on living by one's word... I have an announcement from Steve in Illinois for everyone and I somberly offer it.
>
> Steve has sent word that he is gone from the list-unsubscribed as of this evening and out of the meteorite business. He prefers to neither send or receive anymore emails. He says he is keeping his word to leave. ?His web-page no longer list meteorites for sale. ?For anyone to try to erase all the evidence of their history on the internet is futile as that history remains in cached pages from here to China. Steve's business or non business will be between him and the legal world and further discussion about him on this list is moot. Ebay sales remain "caveat emptor".
>
> I am told that those who met Steve in person found in him possessing an off beat charisma, not unlikeable but always within a sympathy inducing presence. In person; a gentle giant. Steve was possessed by a drive that always seemed to steer him in a way opposite from what he wanted--from what we wanted too. ?I admire Steve's meteorite display cabinet in his home, how each specimen was treated with admiration and suitable display setting and that his passion was borne out in development of a great and sometime humorous web presence. His meteorites were special and not just tossed into dark drawer. For Steve's pain I truly feel for his loss. He and I share more in common than most know.
>
> As much as I empathize with his personal struggles there was the dilemma I felt in the sense of being wronged by the darker side Steve allowed into his life and those that had their collections cheated. ?It is not easy to adjudicate between the two options of Steve being gone versus being here and dealing unethically with his peers; a problem he was never able to reconcile. ?While it seemed a case of resign or face an eventual ouster because of the path he walked, Steve did an honorable thing and I know it was done in great personal pain. ?I wish there had been an effective workable common ground between the two options but twas not to be. In honor to Art he has been one of the fairest souls I have ever known and possessing the patience of the Job of old testament lore.
>
> What remains that I need to reiterate is that leaving the list when the heat is up has been a ploy in the past. I'll have to cautiously accept that Steve's announcement is true and "final" for a time being. This doesn't mean any legal woes are over but they are no longer on topic here. As far as I believe, this is fair and beneficial for all involved.
>
> In that he has resigned, I believe this merits being the final list post on the episode-- no matter what your feelings or passions please respect Steve's and my own wishes.
>
> Respectfully,
> Elton
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