[meteorite-list] [IMCA] Re: Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold of Chicago...was nwa 1794

From: Mr EMan <mstreman53_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:18:06 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <998291.33882.qm_at_web55206.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Gosh Greg..Thank you for your opinion,..again,....again.....again

You know I sent you a very lengthy private letter apologizing for the points of that post which may have suggested or may have been interpreted to suggest that I was attacking you. Now you show me that you can't let that go either. I seems that it is either YOUR way or no way so why don't you run for an IMCA office..OR better still run down a member of the secret meteorite possee and ask to be deputized.

In my IMCA post which you have partially POSTED to the METEORITE CENTRAL LIST, I made the point that in the whole scheme of things, refusing to let go of this specific auction(-- which was purchased by an expert already taking steps so that the seller will be legally reviewed) was a dangerous place to go when it was pursued with the radicalismn of a cyber-terrorist. That auction is not available to a "novice" buyer and you've missed the point. I followed established avenues for remedy. Please everyone note, I didn't call the President and CEO of eBay at his home at dinnertime to personally complain about a $15 specimen of dubious origin. Nor did I get a nasty gram from eBay telling me to cease and desist or face account loss or more.

Unlike YOU, I did not post my feedback to Steve's Prank as a member of the IMCA. I posted as a member of the meteorite central list. So we'll have to disagree on each others actions and just move along. Big Steve put this "Prank" on the list and made it a fair topic for response. Steve wanted "humor" and I think he exceeded expectations!!!

 Greg review your rule books and STOP posting IMCA business on the Meteorite Central list,please. Someone might have to report your actions and Steve wouldn't be the only one disinvited from an association. Knowing you will not let this go, when you do bring it up elsewhere keep my quotes in context and don't distort them like you've done here. I perfected Trollism before you were born and I am as good as anyone at detecting deliberate distortions especially when they are of my own positions.

I am not the one who broke laws and as a citizen, it is morally acceptable to report illegal trade practices in China or Chicago. I am sure if Steve has read all this, he is relishing the attention and he is laughing his pants off--(well doing something in his pants anyway) and we are all having fun even if not the fun he intended.

I hope you now find a reason to take any further attacks off both lists better yet take a chill and get on with life to handle another day. There are 12 step programs for those that are unable to see humor where humor is warranted. Bad Boys or Bad Boz is a classic melody of satire I'm sure you've heard the song.

Elton

--- On Wed, 4/1/09, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [IMCA] Re: Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold of Chicago...was nwa 1794
> To: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, IMCA at imcamail.de
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 5:08 PM
> your comments made toward/about me over my actions with the
> ebay scam seller ryderdude:
> ?
> "So a meteorwrong gets sold to a novice that
> didn't know "sh*t from shinola" no big deal in
> the whole scheme of things.? BUT if IMCA gets a bad
> reputation by association then the entire war is lost and
> how much was it worth to try to get even with a single
> seller?
> Elton"
> ?
> It is my opinion that your recent post is reflective of the
> IMCA in a far worse way then my polite and good intentioned
> actions to stop a fraudulent seller of fake?meteorites on
> ebay.
> ?
> Comments such as "Bad Boy Bad Boy...? whatcha gonna
> do...Whacha gonna do when they come for you...Bad Boy Bad
> Boy... " are very childish, regardless of the issues.
> I am not getting into this issue with Steves
> "joke" as I want no involvement, but I do feel the
> need to reply to your comments as they are way off base and
> DO reflect badly on you and as a member of the IMCA, it
> reflects badly on them...
> ?
> You clearly state that "So a meteorwrong gets sold to
> a novice that didn't know "sh*t from shinola"
> no big deal in the whole scheme of things." and that is
> totally false.
> It is a vey big deal as we were all novices at one point
> and the novices are the future of this hobby... to allow
> them to be frauded will only hurt us in the long run.
> ?
> My attempts to get ebay to stop ryderdude760 was NEVER
> about "getting even" it was to protect uninformed
> buyers (novices as you call them) who could possibly be
> turned off of this great hobby due to getting scammed with
> fake material when ebay knows about his fraud and has been
> provided proof.
> ?
> You however?show no concern about novices getting ripped
> off, but are ready to jump on the "anti -Steve
> bandwagon" and persue legal action against him...
> ?
> I am not defending Steve in anyway here, I am simply
> calling you out on your actions which in my opinion?reflect
> far worse then anything I have seen from an IMCA member to
> date.
> Please do not reply to me by email as I want nothing to do
> with you from this point on.
> ?
> ?
> Greg C.
> ?
> ?
>
>
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mr EMan <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [IMCA] Re: Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold of
> Chicago...was nwa 1794
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, IMCA at imcamail.de
> Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 4:27 PM
>
>
>
> Someone please forward this to Steve as he has me filtered.
> I wouldn't want him to get blind-sided or miss out on
> all of the white knuckled anticipation and glee some of us
> will be having today as a result of his "April Fools
> Prank".
>
> I am presently in the process of reporting criminal
> activity by Steve Arnold with both the US Attorney in
> Chicago via the Secret Service and the Illinois State
> Attorney general via the Office of Consumer Protection. An
> April Fools "Prank" that is REAL is the best prank
> of all! LMAO
>
> What Steve failed to realize in his "prank": was
> that 1) while so typical for him, the ultimate in poor taste
> but better yet? 2) his fake "going out of business
> sale" was a violation of Illinois consumer protection
> law and also US wire fraud statutes. By his own admission,
> Steve knowingly used premeditated, false incentives, to
> promote commercial sales across state lines via a wire. He
> also conducted a sale under the guise of "going out of
> business" and will will likely be forced to complete
> that sale within 30 days limit and/or cease business in that
> field as I understand the law.--plus penalties, fines, and
> costs-- he knows the routine.
>
> People that bought from him in good faith, had a reasonable
> expectation that Steve was going "out of business"
> and that his inventory would no longer be available nor
> would he be competing with other dealers.? These are
> published statements in public.? There is also some
> evidence that Steve has been using unemployment payments to
> purchase inventory for an unlicensed and illegal enterprise
> which makes him ineligible for those payments and liable for
> repayment.? You have no idea how much satisfaction I am
> getting from knowing that his own arrogant behavior has done
> himself in and that his payback will hit him in a most
> appropriate way.
>
> Steve, as I write, I am waiting on a call back from the
> Illinois Attorney General's Office to file complaints on
> the fake GOB sale. Tomorrow, I, am meeting with a US Secret
> Service Agent (who handles wire fraud and not the FBI--go
> figure) to make the case for wire fraud. Don't worry
> you'll probably only get probation or diversion for a
> first offense--but wait this isn't a first offense is
> it?
>
> Oh Dratt--since you used a computer in the fraud they can
> make you never ever use a the internet again..depending on
> the victim impact statements made--if it goes to trial and
> not bargained out. So we'll soon be assured that it is
> your VERY last post!? Sounds like a win/win!!!
>
> As to the REAL Steve Arnold of Chicago(Technically Elgin
> but what's a little exageration from sSteve-- I've
> long considered behaviors like this to be those of a slimy,
> lying, lowlife parasite who'll always be one--but that
> is my personal opinion and while that isn't illegal in
> itself, it has lead him once again into legal problems.
> (Remember a certain FAKE corporation?)
>
> Steve's selling meteorites to buy a casket for his
> mother-in-law was pretty slimy especially when he went to
> visit her on vacation 6 months later(you know--one of the
> vacations he reported hourly to the list about?)...but this
> is even slimier.? For a person that "loves the hobby
> and all the friends there (sic)" he sure does slime
> them with regularity.
>
> Bad Boy Bad Boy...? whatcha gonna do...Whacha gonna do
> when they come for you...Bad Boy Bad Boy... (he'll
> probably make the case for an insanity defense and walk
> free).
>
> Elton
>
> PS: Be ready for the Steve Arnold: Need to Raise Bail!
> Meteorite Sale--IF he has any to sell as they are evidence
> in his illegal activities and should be seized for 18 months
> till his state trial comes up.
>
> --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Sean T. Murray
> <stm at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Ok - it's official - that is the worst April
> Fool's
> > hoax.? Ever. Next year you should claim to have an
> incurable disease,
> > and then tell us it's not true.? It'll be a
> gas.
> >
> > Unless... maybe Steve #1's saying that last week
> was a
> > prequel to April fools, IS his april fools joke...Only
> time
> > will tell.
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve
> arnold"
>
> > Hi again list,and no ad.I see there is only 398 grams
> of
> > NWA 1794.But I see there is also more material out
> there.Did
> > they find more later,and if they did,what is the
> latest
> > TKW?Also last week was a prequel to this day.APRIL
> > FOOL'S DAY!!I am going no where.Have a great day
> and
> > keep finding our passion.
> >
> > Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago!
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