[meteorite-list] Comet condrules

From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu <lebofsky_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 05:22:12 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID: <56621.71.226.60.25.1221826932.squirrel_at_timber.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi all:

In the most accepted models, the objects in the Oort Cloud did orginate
much closer to the Sun (between Jupiter and Saturn?). However, as Jupiter
migrated in and Saturn out things got thrown all over the place amd a lot
of stuff ended up in the Oort Cloud.

Larry

On Thu, September 18, 2008 11:10 pm, Steve Dunklee wrote:
> Duh! when the sun first ignited the shock waves probably ejected some of
> the comets from near the sun to the outer reaches of the system. as well
> as stripping the inner planets of their lighter elements. Einstiens
> equation for the measure of doppler shift of the sun is dependant on the
> mass of the entire system. if you work the equation using measured
> doppner shift. and subtract the mass of the sun and known planets you get
> a value of 20% remaining mass as dark matter.There is a lot of material
> out there yet to be discovered. Have a great day!
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Comet condrules
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 10:29 PM
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080918170408.htm
>>
>>
>> Comet Dust Reveals Unexpected Mixing Of Solar System
>>
>>
>> ScienceDaily (Sep. 18, 2008) ??? Chemical clues from a
>> comet's halo are challenging common views about the history and evolution
>> of the solar system and showing it may be more mixed-up than previously
>> thought.
>>
>> A new analysis of dust from the comet Wild 2, collected in
>> 2004 by NASA's
>> Stardust mission, has revealed an oxygen isotope signature
>> that suggests an unexpected mingling of rocky material between the center
>> and edges of the solar system. Despite the comet's birth in the icy
>> reaches of outer space beyond Pluto, tiny crystals collected from its
>> halo appear to have been forged in the hotter interior, much closer to
>> the sun.
>>
>> The result, reported in the Sept. 19 issue of the journal
>> Science by researchers
>> from Japan, NASA and the University of Wisconsin-Madison, counters the
>> idea that the material that formed the solar system billions of years ago
>> has remained trapped in orbits around the sun. Instead, the new study
>> suggests that cosmic material from asteroid belts between Mars and
>> Jupiter can
>> migrate outward in the solar system and mix with the more primitive
>> materials found at the fringes.
>>
>> "Observations from this sample are changing our
>> previous thinking and expectations about how the solar system formed,"
>> says UW-Madison geologist
>> Noriko Kita, an author of the paper.
>>
>>
>> The Stardust mission captured Wild 2 dust in hopes of
>> characterizing the raw materials from which our solar system coalesced.
>> Since the
>> comet formed more than 4 billion years ago from the same primitive source
>> materials, its current orbit between Mars and Jupiter affords a rare
>> opportunity to sample material from the farthest reaches of the solar
>> system and dating back to the early days of the universe. These samples,
>> which reached Earth in early 2006, are the first solid samples returned
>> from space since Apollo.
>>
>> "They were originally hoping to find the raw material
>> that pre-dated the solar system," explains Kita. "However, we found many
>> crystalline objects that resemble flash-heated particles found in
>> meteorites from asteroids."
>>
>> In the new study, scientists led by Tomoki Nakamura, a
>> professor at Kyushu University in Japan, analyzed oxygen isotope
>> compositions of three crystals from the comet's halo to better understand
>> their origins. He and UW-Madison scientist Takayuki Ushikubo analyzed the
>> tiny grains ??? the largest of which is about one-thousandth of an inch
>> across ??? with a unique ion microprobe in the Wisconsin Secondary Ion
>> Mass Spectrometer (Wisc-SIMS) laboratory, the
>> most advanced instrument of its kind in the world.
>>
>> To their surprise, they found oxygen isotope ratios in the
>> comet crystals that are similar to asteroids and even the sun itself.
>> Since
>> these samples more closely resemble meteorites than the primitive,
>> low-temperature materials expected in the outer reaches of the solar
>> system, their analysis suggests that heat-processed particles may have
>> been transported outward in the young solar system.
>>
>> "This really complicates our simple view of the early
>> solar system," says Michael Zolensky, a NASA cosmic mineralogist at the
>> Johnson
>> Space Center in
>> Houston.
>>
>>
>> "Even though the comet itself came from way out past
>> Pluto, there's a much more
>> complicated history of migration patterns within the solar system and the
>> material originally may have formed much closer to Earth," says
>> UW-Madison
>> geology professor John Valley. "These findings are causing a revision of
>> theories of the history of the solar system."
>>
>> The research was supported by the Japan Society for the
>> Promotion of Science and
>> the NASA Stardust Sample Analysis and Cosmochemistry Programs. The
>> Wisc-SIMS
>> facility is partly supported by the National Science Foundation.
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