[meteorite-list] AD: Holocene start impacts

From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:53:59 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <238351.29571.qm_at_web36903.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all -

Naturally, it would be nice if we could identify a crater, or craters, as then we'd at least have shock cones for sale. But we don't yet.

But as this is the first Native American Heritage Day, and as Ted points our, the research is privately funded now, may I suggest investing in a personally signed copy of my book "Man and Impact in the Americas" for the time being? As always, signed copies are available from me for list members for $20, plus $5 priority shipping US, or $15 for priority shipping overseas, sent to
E.P. Grondine
P.O. Box 158
Kempton, IL 60946

good hunting
Ed

 








--- On Thu, 11/27/08, Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net> wrote:

> From: Ted Bunch <tbear1 at cableone.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holocene start impacts
> To: epgrondine at yahoo.com, drtanuki at yahoo.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 2:29 PM
> Dear Dirk - Because you are a practitioner of misology, may
> be I can be of
> help in your quest for enlightenment.
>
> 1. Please read the 12 AGU abstracts on the YDB impact
> subjects - web address
> furnished by Ed & George.
>
> 2. I will gladly send to you a copy of a publication in
> SCIENCE, that will
> shortly appear, on the matter of shock-formed diamonds
> during the YD event.
> In addition, I will also pass along two other peer reviewed
> papers in early
> 2009.
>
> The reviewers of these papers are highly esteemed
> scientists, some are
> Members of the National Academy of Sciences as are a couple
> of the authors.
> Possibly, none of the authors/reviewers engaged in the YD
> event are more
> intelligent than you are, but certainly more mature.
>
> 3. For your information, the ~ $100K support money for the
> YDB research over
> the last 3 years came out of research team members pockets,
> less that 2%
> came from NSF or other Government grants.
>
> 4. For your further quest for enlightenment, some
> industrially produced
> nanodiamonds are made from carbon extracted from coconut
> and peanut shells,
> in addition to amber (hardened tree sap) - funny, don?t
> you think so?
>
> After you have done your homework, I am confident that you
> can issue future
> opinions based on factual evidence and not from the foolish
> pit of
> ignorance. Many of the LIST readers will be pleased to hear
> from you.
>
>
> Ted Bunch
>
>
>
>
> On 11/18/08 12:41 PM, "E.P. Grondine"
> <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dirk - You can believe whatever you want to
> believe, But: The Congress
> > of the United States, that is to say the
> Representatives and Senators, both
> > Democrat and Republican, issued very clear
> instructions to the NASA
> > Administrator to deal with the impact hazard. The
> current Administrator chose
> > to ignore their instructions, trying to pass the
> problem off to the NSF,
> > among others. It is unlikely that the NSF will reduce
> its funding for impact
> > studies; in fact, it will likely work with the USGS in
> promoting them. NASA
> > Administrator Griffin will be leaving in a few days,
> and those who advised
> > him to ignore those instructions will likely follow
> along shortly thereafter:
> > I could express my guess as to who they were, but the
> NASA archives will be
> > open to the next Administrator, so he or she will not
> have to guess. The
> > geologists' data agrees with the archaeological
> data, and in fact forms a
> > part of it, and both agree with the traditions, such
> as they are and as they
> > were preserved. I did as best I could to keep them,
> and pass them on. There
> > will be some more undeniable geological data coming
> along shortly as well,
> > this concerning later impact mega-tsunamis that
> affected North America. E.P.
> > Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas --- On Tue,
> 11/18/08, drtanuki
> > <drtanuki at yahoo.com> wrote: > From: drtanuki
> <drtanuki at yahoo.com> > Subject:
> > Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Holocene start impacts >
> To: epgrondine at yahoo.com,
> > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date:
> Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 9:27
> > AM > Greetings- > It is amazing the the NSF is
> funding such bogus research >
> > as YDB. Tree sap diamonds...that is about as good as
> > tecate diamonds from
> > mezcal Hecho en Mexico. I think that > the
> patentability will be called into
> > question since > the Mexican inventon group went
> public with their >
> > disclosure, thus the tree sap patent application will
> > get zapped with Prior
> > Art and Lack of Invention objections > at the USPTO
> or at least they should IF
> > the Examiner is > doing his job. YDB will soon be
> a dead topic with the >
> > upcoming Federal budget cuts. Thank God. > >
> Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > Ed
> > time for a BBQ; pull out those mammoths again, ok?
> > > --- On Wed, 11/19/08,
> > E.P. Grondine > <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > From: E.P. Grondine
> > <epgrondine at yahoo.com> > Subject:
> [meteorite-list] AD: Holocene start
> > impacts > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November
> > 19, 2008, 12:01 AM > > Hi all - > >
> Forwarded from the Cambridge
> > Conference > > 13) YDB/CLOVIS COMET AT AGU >
> > Dear Benny: > > I am writing
> > to share the news about the discovery of > billions
> of diamonds per > cm3
> > associated with the proposed Younger Dryas impact >
> event, or "Clovis >
> > Comet," as it is sometimes called. Data on the
> > discovery will be presented >
> > on December 15-16 at the American Geophysical
> Union's > annual Fall Meeting
> > in > San Francisco. On December 16, there will be 4
> talks >
> >
> (http://www.agu.org/cgi-bin/sessions5?meeting=fm08?=PP23D&maxhits=400),
> > and
> > the day before, on December 15, there will be 8 poster
> > presentations >
> >
> (http://www.agu.org/cgi-bin/sessions5?meeting=fm08?=PP13C&maxhits=400
> > - >
> > Scroll down to PP13C-1469 through 1477). As you and
> your > readers may
> > remember, > data on about a dozen other lines of
> impact evidence were >
> > presented to AGU at > the Acapulco Joint Assembly
> in 2007. Since then, the >
> > hypothesis has created > considerable controversy.
> > > The lead presentation
> > will reveal the discovery of all > three diamond
> allotropes > (cubic diamond,
> > lonsdaleite, and n-diamond) in the YDB > impact
> layer, dating to > the Younger
> > Dryas onset at 12.9 ka (as well as the new >
> discovery of lonsdaleite > and
> > n-diamonds in the KT boundary). The YDB diamonds are
> > distributed broadly >
> > across N America and NW Europe at 15 sites spanning
> 9,000 > km or 23 percent
> > of > Earth's circumference. N-diamonds and
> lonsdaleite, or > hexagonal
> > diamond, do > not co-occur with terrestrial
> diamonds, but are found in >
> > meteorites. Lonsdaleite > is found on Earth only in
> association with known
> > ET > impacts, and thus, is a > definitive impact
> indicator. No diamonds have
> > ever been > detected in sediments > above or
> below the YD impact layer. > >
> > Some critics have suggested that all the inferred
> impact > material is
> > nothing > more than typical meteoritic ablation
> products and that the >
> > indicators rained > down from the heavens
> non-catastrophically over time.
> > This > hypothesis is refuted > by the presence
> of millions of diamonds inside
> > single > carbon spherules that > formed rapidly
> from charred tree sap. Our
> > research, which > has resulted in a > patent
> application for a new process to
> > create diamonds, > indicates that they > could
> have only formed during the
> > extraordinarily high > temperatures and >
> pressures that existed during an
> > impact. The "cosmic > rain" was heavy
> > and far from gentle. > > I have also
> > placed a PDF of them on my website here: >
> > http://www.georgehoward.net/finalAGUabstracts.pdf >
> > Kind regards. > >
> > George A. Howard | Partner > Restoration Systems,
> LLC > 1101 Haynes Street,
> > Suite 211 > Raleigh N.C. 27604 >
> www.restorationsystems.com >
> > www.georgehoward.net > > I think that pretty
> well explains those mammoth
> > bodies > piled up along the river > in Alaska
> that Hibben saw. And gives the
> > reason for some of > the peoples' >
> "strange " tales. > > Of course, you can
> > read a few of the peoples accounts of > this in my
> book, > personally signed
> > copies of which are available from me for > $20
> plus $5 priority > mail
> > shipping US, or plus $15 for shipping overseas. The
> > book is in English. >
> > > Now if there were only some larger carbonaceous
> chondrites > to sell, or
> > some > nice shatter cones, or some impact glasses
> bigger than > spherules. >
> > > E.P. Grondine > Man and Impact in the Americas
> > > > > > >
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