[meteorite-list] Just Another Question
From: Pete Shugar <pshugar_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 12:55:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001001c8c27e$6312bf60$0201a8c0_at_laptop> I never said he was throwing the object. What I said was "impart excape velocity" to the object. This can be from a number of ways, such as an attached rocket, for example. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "AL Mitterling" <almitt at kconline.com> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Cc: <mexicodoug at aim.com> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Just Another Question > Hi Doug, Pete and all, > > Thanks Doug for the figures you would have to throw at. Looks like our > astronaut isn't going to be launching anything too far out. I appreciate > the figures to back up my claim!! > > --AL Mitterling > > mexicodoug at aim.com wrote: > >> Al M. wrote: >> >> "I don't think it would be possible for an astronaut to throw an object, >> rock or otherwise out of the orbit of the Earth." >> >> Hi Al, Pete, Friends and Listees, >> >> Haven't kept with this thread, but I thought I'd add this info for the >> throwing arm of the astronaut to create an artificial meteorite from some >> favorite heights. >> >> I noticed Dr. Grossman mentioned the need for extraordinary evidence >> (i.e., claims by necessity must be treated with skepicism, until at least >> someone can show you a piece of it). >> >> Here are some of the "physics": the minimum speeds the clever Astronaut >> would have TO THROW any object to gain an independent orbit from Earth: >> >>> From the International Space station (One of the lowest satellites): >> >> 11,412 mph (7,091 Km/h) >> >>> From a GPS satellite (nearly the highest): >> >> 3,692 mph (5,941 Km/h) >> >> He has to be clever as he needs to throw it exactly in his direction of >> motion to make the satellite's speed additive and also away from the Moon >> so that doesn't add significant additional speed required. I just used >> the 11.2 km/s value at Earth's surface which fails to take into >> consideration the air resistance (this is only partly why expecting >> material to survive the shear force going up through Earth's atmosphere >> is an Extra-ordinary claim). Not a problem - these are the right answers >> for space. >> >> The best baseball players on Earth have been clocked at around 100.9 mph. >> The best Jai-alai ball has been levered at about 188 mph. >> These speeds are taken over a very short distance from the throwing arm >> on Earth, so would be nearly the same in space. >> >> BTW, if an astronaut on the Moon wanted to "throw" something out of Lunar >> orbit, he would need to throw at 5,315 mph (8,554 Km/h) which would leave >> it barely moseying away from a Lunar orbit, but he would need it to end >> up at a minumum of over 3,220 mph (5,188 Km/h) more to then escape Earth. >> >> Throwing things at these speeds is of course hypothetical given the >> capabilities. >> >> Back to the original question Earth meteorite possible? to comment: These >> same capabilities need to be taken into consideration with regards to the >> mass integrity of any Earth ejecta. Assuming an object can hit Earth >> fast enough to impart sufficient velocity at cratering which will survive >> the trip back up and more importantly an order of magnitude more to rip >> it from Earth's gravitational grasp, is like assuming you can find a >> Nolan Ryan to pitch a ball at about 12,000 mph. It is also a possibility >> that no physical Nolan Ryan exists. >> >> Earth meteorites don't have a chance due to this reason, unless you make >> one modifying assumption: That the original impactor causing them creates >> a transient vacuum behind it long and straight enough for backspauled >> material to find its way out. THAT is an extraordinary claim unless we >> are talking major planet smasher and vapor condensation in space just to >> make sure the ejecta aren't too small or just plasma or molecules! Ojo, >> this means the cloud MUST condense in outer space while it is moving away >> at these speeds. That just adds another degree of complexity. Not >> impossible, of course. The jury is still out. I'd repost a recent >> answer about 6 months ago I made talking about the atmospheric dynamics >> required for Earth meteorites to happen but I'm not good at maintaning >> these old met-list links as some others :( >> >> Best wishes, >> Doug > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Received on Fri 30 May 2008 01:55:41 PM PDT |
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