[meteorite-list] '869?

From: Lasse Lindh <3l_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:00:29 +0100
Message-ID: <47DCFDCD.8070306_at_comhem.se>

Hi Martin

Thanks Martin for the info. Your a great source of knowledge as always
and not afraid to give me a lesson... ;o) I do appreciate it.

I have seen some questionable info and I agree that it is unfortunate.

Regards

Lasse

Martin Altmann wrote:
> Hi Lasse,
>
> these ebay-discussions are recurrent
> and I guess, one can break them down to the consensus,
> that on ebay there are good purchases to be found, but that ebay isn't
> directly always the best place to buy meteorites. Cause if you take all
> offers together, then - pity enough for the serious sellers - ebay turns out
> to be that marketplace for meteorites with the by far lowest standards of
> ethics.
>
> That kinds of discussions are ending always like the amen in the church with
> the maxim:
> Know your dealers (and if possible: your meteorites).
>
> You have to see, that on ebay is working the whole spectrum offerers;
> >From the extremely scrupulous professional dealer or experienced veteran
> collector, down to those, who haven't any clues about meteorites or
> understand ebay as an anonymous flea-market, where they can "leave no stone
> unturned" by disthonest means to squeeze out the last penny of material of
> doubtful quality, because they won't be called to account for.
>
> Note furthermore that the so called "meteorite market" developed from a pure
> collectors' scene and still today it is borne mainly by collectors,
> especially on ebay, and even most of the reputable dealers, who you know,
> aren't making their days in selling meteorites, but are dealing meteorites
> because of their feeble for such matter or as side occupation among others.
> There of course it is natural, that also not yet so advanced collectors
> offer here and there their specimens, who naturally are making mistakes.
>
> In general it is a welcome fact, at least I think so, that meteorites and
> their trade are driven mainly by collectors and enthusiasts.
>
> Well in this case maybe the seller mixed some specimens or he bought a lot
> of NWA 869, where also some other old meteorites creeped in, which he wasn't
> able to distinguish from true 869ers.
> If you look into his other auctions, you'll find, that he must be quite new
> to meteoritics as you easily can notice from his sometimes inadequate
> attributes he uses in his descriptions and sometimes he's telling absolute
> rubbish.
> E.g. that Sikhote:
> Item number: 120231123026
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sikhote-Alin-meteorite-27-1-grams-Nice-specimen-NR_W0QQi
> temZ120231123026QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Well, don't let me keep you with that beauty vs. the beholder's eyes-thing,
> the incorrectness here is, that it has absolutely no flow lines, as he
> states.
>
> Problem I see, is, that he has an IMCA-label.
> I think it should be the job of the two warrantors, who recommended him to
> be a member, to point out that mistake to him, to tutor him to do his
> homework and to coach him a little bit.
>
> Anyway, I could bet, that it won't take more than 10 days, until we'll have
> the next ebay-discussion on the list.....
>
> Best!
> Martin
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Lasse
> Lindh
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. M?rz 2008 11:51
> An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] '869?
>
> Hi
>
> I just want to clearify my last message in case someone misunderstood my
> meaning. I've bought several items from this dealer and have no
> complaint what so ever. On the contrary, I've got great items at good
> price and it was a pleasure. Even if someone dislikes this slice and
> think it's not worth a penny, the starting price WAS LOW, $0.99, and if
> some bidder want to pay $15, $50 or a $100 for that, it's nothing to
> blame the seller. He started low. There are sellers that sells pure crap
> for five or 10 times that much at Buy it Now.
>
> Hope that clears it... :)
>
> Lasse
>
>
>
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