[meteorite-list] Advertisements (wasTHIS IS NOT THE IMCA list.TAKE IT ELSEWHERE)

From: Jerry Flaherty <grf2_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:24:31 -0500
Message-ID: <D0CE4A054229405D8CFFB0985AF9360D_at_ASUS>

Well said Martin, in a nutshell.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Advertisements (wasTHIS IS NOT THE IMCA
list.TAKE IT ELSEWHERE)


> Hi Uwe et al.
>
> The beef of meteoritics as science and as hobby are the stones.
> For more than 200 years meteorite studies and meteorite collecting is
> based
> on private initiatives, collectors, hunters and dealers bringing up new
> stones and irons.
>
> Therefore the introducing of new finds and new meteorites or already
> known,
> but rare or remarkable specimens, is a natural part of this list and that
> this happens with a more or less commercial background is natural too,
> because it is neither a solely academic, neither a sole collector's list,
> but THE universal forum for meteorites.
>
> Note, that on the list many of the most interesting and scientifically
> most
> important meteorites, desert finds, new main masses, new falls of the last
> decade had their premiere on this list here, where you are sitting in the
> first row! And often it happened in form of an "AD".
>
> Check the archives, how man data, news, interesting information these ads
> delivered and how often fruitful discussions unfolded after such
> advertisements.
>
> I - half as old as the mountains, remember the days, where there wasn't
> any
> internet yet. The collectors (and often the scientists too) couldn't keep
> up
> with new recoveries and neither with the offers of material for their
> collections else, than to visit the 2-3 shows per year, where meteorites
> were offered or to exchange letters ect.
> (How glad they would have been, id something like this list would have
> existed including the offers coming in here).
>
> But also nowadays I have the impression many members do indeed appreciate
> the advertisements. Often they get the material first-hand here, with new
> material also they are the first to choose, the contact to the seller is
> completely different than e.g. on ebay and additionally they can discuss
> the
> offered material with like-minded people
> And finally they save a lot of time.
> Not all have the time or are in the mood, to spend hours and days in front
> of the ebay-pages, browsing the thousands of auctions of for them not so
> interesting material, waiting until a piece fitting in their collection or
> for their purposes comes swimming by and to have to stay awake at night or
> having the obligation being at home, when the auction will end.
> Nor do all having the time to browse all the dealers' pages, and checking
> them regularly for updates.
>
> Admittedly the technical standard of the list is outdated, in our times
> such
> a format is a dinosaur.
> And so what? New and modern doesn't mean automatically better.
> The list is wonderful simple and works perfectly - people like it,
> And as always: tribute to the chief Art!
>
> If you prefer a more modern structured and more fancy designed forum,
> you do have some alternatives. There are 2 fora in USA, 1 in France and 1
> for Germany/Austria/Switzerland. (but the best music still plays here!).
>
> Of course I can understand that members feel molested by commercial ads,
> but they have possibilities to avoid to get them on their disks.
> You can choose, whether you get only a digest of the postings here, you
> can
> keep your computer completely free of list-mails in reading the postings
> online in the archives or - because almost all members are so civilized to
> enclose "AD" or "SALE" in the title of their advertisements, you can
> automatically sort them out in virtue of these catchwords into a separate
> folder of your email-program.
>
> Haven't checked the archives, but I guess the Ads count in for a bearable
> 10-15% of all posts.
> And as Al mentioned already, all agreed to the limitation of max. 1 Ad per
> nose and week - and all members are disciplined enough to follow that
> rule.
>
> Better to say: almost all. Only one among a thousand members has for many
> years now difficulties to understand this rule. Chicago-Steve - but it is
> much better with him now. In November he posted just once more 8 ads, in
> Oct
> 11, in Sep 10 - in his best times he used 5-10 Ads per week.
> He's tolerated to have this privilege, singleing him out of all the other
> 1000+ members, not so because of his achievements he had done to the
> meteoritic world, but rather he seems to have been adopted as a mascot of
> the meteorite-mailing-list (else I can't explain, why he hadn't been
> thrown
> off yet).
>
> So all in all, I think, it's o.k.
>
> Best!
> Martin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <m42protosun at aol.com>
> To: <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>; <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THIS IS NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE
>
>
>
> Greg and List,
> I agree. Many dealers udse this list as advertisment.
> In my mind too this is not the sense of such a list.
> Uwe (spell ew ve)
>
>
>
>
>
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