[meteorite-list] Pronouncing Willamette and other meteorite names

From: Howard Steffic <bencubbin_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:51:28 -0600
Message-ID: <BAY127-W16134D238C56F252F333CDB7E30_at_phx.gbl>

How do you say this one STFU............. It means that I am tired of this thread that has been beat to death many times in the past.


Howard Steffic

> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:45:25 -0700
> From: mlblood at cox.net
> To: mlblood at cox.net; mmurray at montrose.net; Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pronouncing Willamette and other meteorite names
>
> OOPS,
> The way I wrote it did not make it clear that the
> "stress" is on the "A," not the "will" or the "met."
> As for Allende, someone said there is nothing wrong
> With "Anglicizing" a word....You would have a VERY
> Difficult time living in So. CA - going to El Cajon (el ca hone)
> And La Jolla (la hoy ya) etc. Even in LA, they pronounce
> It "row DAY oh" Drive, not rodeo drive, as it was the Spanish
> Name place originally.
> I certainly don't feel comfortable butchering the French
> Falls and always ask Anne Black for the correct pronunciation,
> Though it may take saying it 20 to 50 times to get CLOSE,
> Since my tongue is used to only the sounds of English and
> A little Spanish. French utilizes entirely unique sounds I have
> To learn and can only do so with repeated practice with someone
> Patient enough to correct me gently - such as the gracious Anne.
> The problem with "Anglicizing" a word is two fold:
> 1) it assumes an ethnocentric approach to the word and
> 2) it ignores the fact that language, itself, is the SOUNDS made,
> NOT the written symbols. The written symbols are actually
> Symbols of symbols (the sounds). The sound is the actual word,
> Not the written symbols - which cross culturally NEVER capture
> The sound correctly, since one language speaker does not even
> Know how to (initially) hear the sound correctly, let alone be
> Able to correctly pronounce the sound.
> Anyway, of course, you can call your mother or father's sister
> "ant" or "aunt" and people will understand.... But one is correct and
> One is less so. If you WRITE it the two different ways, one is DEFINITELY
> Incorrect - but that is because the written word is expected to more
> Rigidly adhere to grammatical and spelling conventions than is the
> spoken word.
> Personally, I find learning the correct pronunciation to be of
> interest, a challenge to master and overall a positive thing. If it isn't
> Your "thing" then to whom does it really matter? At least, who cares
> If it matters to anyone other than yourself. So, like so many things in
> Life, it is as important as you make it - not a whit more or a whit less.
> (But don't move to San Diego and ask someone directions to "el ka john"
> Or they will think you are totally nutso).
> Best wishes, Michael
>
>
>
> on 4/23/08 2:16 AM, Michael L Blood at mlblood at cox.net wrote:
>
>> I lived in Oregon a couple of years. It is pronounced
>> As follows: will - A - met with the "A" as in am, at, as, etc.
>> I have always been amused when people pronounce it
>> Otherwise. I could be wrong, but I think even ET pronounces
>> It the way most meteorite folks do, which astonished me, since
>> He has lived in Oregon most of his life. None the less, the stress
>> Is on the a or am.
>> Best wishes, Michael
>>
>> on 4/22/08 9:07 PM, Michael Murray at mmurray at montrose.net wrote:
>>
>>> If you are from Oregon this is probably no big surprise... According
>>> to one of the native Willamette residents, Willamette is not
>>> pronounced will-a-mette, at least not by her anyway, and not
>>> according to the the dictionary either. Totally unbeknownst to
>>> hayseeds like myself, it is actually pronounced wi-lam-it, or you can
>>> write that with the ligature ae in place of the a. My
>>> confession...Besides having a difficult time with Allende for some
>>> time, I had the name Willamette wrong too. This makes me wonder what
>>> other meteorites names I am mispronouncing.
>>>
>>> Okay, I give up, who can help me with Berduc?
>>>
>>> Mike in CO
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>> 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the
>> attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way
>> your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran
>>
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> 'Your living is determined not so much by what life brings to you as by the
> attitude you bring to life; not so much by what happens to you as by the way
> your mind looks at what happens.' --Kahlil Gibran
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